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Dear Sriman NVS Swamy :

Thnaks very much .
There is no doubt by the debaters even for a second about
Sanskrit and Tamil being two eyes of our SampradhAyam
and both requiring equal reverence .This debate was to enhance
Bhagavath anubhavam .

The forthcoming series on Dramidopanishath Saaram/Taathparya
RathnAvaLi will attest to that point of view .

By the way , as Dr.SMS Chari Pointed out , there is no
such thing as Ubhaya VedAntham . There is only ONE
VedAntham .Ubhaya VedAnthAchArya has to be understood
as being an authority in the same VedAntham spelled out in
two languages .

V.Sadagopan



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Deevalur Srinivasan" <vasuvadhyar@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "sgopan" <sgopan@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <vaideekam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: Is Sanskrit or Tamil Language Superior for Bhagavath anubhavam 
? DramiDOpanishath Saaram/Taathparya RathnAvaLi : PART I


> Dear Swamin,
> Before reading the full message, I got excited, what
> is our opinion, I questioned my self and I got the
> vote for Sanskrit at the first few fraction of second
> but immediately changed to Tamil but not satisfied
> with that for long time. We are calling ourselves as
> 'Upaya Vedhanthi' how it will be good to vote for any
> one Vedham? We can not say a great example than the
> eyes (Which is important left eye or right eye?). So,
> finally I thought that we are having only two tastes
> to enjoy bhagavadhanubhavam. So, I made my vote on
> both.
> I request you to kindly send a copy of all messages
> from you to our (vaideekam) group also. I have made
> your id as unmoderated.
> I feel very very happy to see the information that you
> are pllaning to put your 'porpaadham' in adiyens
> 'kudisai', I am eagerly expecting for that day to have
> your dharshan.
> Utharo uththara abhivrudhirasthu
> Samastha san mangalani sandhu.
> VAsu VAdhyAr.
> --- sgopan <sgopan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> SrI :
>>
>> On this AavaNi Svathy day dear to Sri Lakshmi
>> Narasimhan , adiyEn would like to initiate
>> a likitha Kaimkaryam on the above controversial
>> topic (!) , which was assigned as a topic for
>> discussion by the Program Chairman of the AchArya
>> SmaraNothsavam Committee of
>> Ahobila Matam North America . The celebrations took
>> place at Sri RanganAthA Temple
>> at Pomona ,  NY on Sep 3 , 2005 . There was a
>> spirited discussion , which was mediated
>> by MahA Vidwaan Dr.S.M.S. Chari in an impartial
>> manner .
>>
>> AdiyEn and Dr.Murali Rangaswamy of Boston argued in
>> favor of Sanskrit and Srimans AMR Kannan
>> of Syrcuse and Sri Oppili Gopalan of Washington DC
>> argued in favor of Tamil . The Sanskrit Team
>> focussed on Vedams , Upanishads , AchArya SthOthrams
>> as the source material for Bhagavath
>> anubhavam in all languages including Tamil . The
>> Tamil team grounded deeply in NaalAyira
>> Dhivya Prabhandham argued effectively in favor of
>> Tamil being the superior language for
>> Bhagavath anubhavam .  After the friendly debate was
>> over and a popular vote was taken ,
>> Dr.SMS Chari gave his impartial judgement that both
>> languages are equal in superiority
>> for Bhagavath anubhavam and gave the reasons in a
>> scholarly manner . The debate was
>> enjoyed thoroughly . We agreed with Dr.Chari's
>> position . The debate was like the Kaliyan's
>> Paasurams , where one ghOshti sings the praise of
>> Raaman and the other of KrishNan
>> as the one with greater vaibhavam .
>>
>> By copy of this note , I am requesting SriamAns
>> Murali Rangaswamy and A.M.R.Kannan
>> to summarize what they covered at the debate .
>>
>> After the debate was over , adiyEn thought that the
>> great genius , Swamy Desikan who
>> channeled his Bahgavath anubhavam in a superior
>> manner in the three languages of
>> Sanskrit , Tamil and Prakrutham is the best AchAryan
>> to study for illumination on
>> this subject (Ubhaya VedAntham) dear to Sri
>> VaishNavAs .
>>
>> In this context , I remembered the six introductory
>> postings going back to October 1996
>> in Sri Ranga Sri on Taathparya RathnAvaLi and
>> DhramidOpanishad Saaram , the two
>> Sanskrit Sri Sookthis of Sw amy Desikan . The topic
>> of these two Sri Sookthis is Swamy
>> NammAzhwAr's ThiruvAimozhi . In these two divine
>> works , Swamy Desikan provided deep
>> insights in to AzhwAr's ThiruvuLLam and AzhwAr's
>> Bhagavath GuNAnubhavam .After the sixth
>> posting in that series , adiyEn went off to other
>> topics and forgot about them . This debate
>> brought me back to DhramidOpanishath Saaram and
>> Taathparya RathnAvaLi , the two
>> central Sri Sookthis for insights in to
>> ThiruvAimozhi as an anubhava grantham .
>> Unfortunately ,
>> Swamy Desikan's detailed commentary known as "Nigama
>> ParimaLam " is no longer
>> available to us .
>>
>> On this AavaNi Swathy day , adiyEn thought that it
>> will be good to get back to
>> these two Sri Sookthis and connect them to Bhagavath
>> GuNAnubhavam in Sanskrit
>> of ThiruvAimozhi and relate them to various
>> commentaries of this sacred Prabhandham
>> of our Kula Pathy , Swamy NammAzhwAr . The subject
>> is an ocean in size and scope .
>> Remembering the proverb , fools enter , where angels
>> fear to tread , adiyEn will start
>> this effort and  seek   Lord HayagrIvan's anugraham
>> to complete
>> this Kaimkaryam , which may take almost an year to
>> conclude
>> even in  a modest  effort .
>>
>> In view of the nature of the subject , not all
>> members might be interested
>> in this series . Hence , adiyEn will post them in
>> Oppiliappan , Saranagathy ,
>> Ramanuja Mission and Malolan Lists . Those of you
>> who are not members of
>> any one of these Four lists are requested to enroll
>> as mmembers of one of
>> these lists for access to future postings . You can
>> always capture them
>> in Sripedia?oppiliappan archives as well .
>>
>> Summary of my contributions to the Sep 3, 2005
>> debate at Sri RanganAthA Temple
>>
> **********************************************************************************************************
>>
>> 1. There is enormous "PrAmANya SamarTanam " (ample
>> power of PramANams / valid
>> knowledge) for defending the position that Sanskrit
>> Language is the best for Bhagavath
>> GuNAnubhavam through Japam , SthOthram and Archanam
>> .
>>
>> 1. Japam here is the recitation of the sacred names
>> of the Lord and enjoying
>> the deep and delectable meanings behind them . Swamy
>> ParAsara Bhattar
>> has engaged in such Japam in his Sri Sookthi , "
>> Bahgavath GuNa DarpaNam"
>> ( A Mirror to the GuNams of the Lord ).
>>
>> 2. SthOthram here is the keertanam of the Lord's
>> Vaibhavam loudly as eulogy
>> (with or without Music and TaaLam ) . BhAvam is most
>> important here .
>>
>> 3. Archanam is the elaborate ritual worship or
>> Bhagavadh AarAdhanam
>> with prescribed Aaasanams and Veda Manthrams with
>> deep Bhakthi .
>>
>> Bhagavath GuNAnubhavam covers Roopa , Svaroopa  ,
>> ArchA , Vibhava
>> and LeelA anubhavams as well .
>>
>> The Six Major GuNAs of the Lord
>> ******************************************
>> Upanishads salute the Parabrahmam tersely as "
>> Sathyam Jn~Anam Anantham BrahmA ".
>> This Brahman of Upanishads is rederred to in AchArya
>> RaamAnujA's Sri BhAshyam as
>> Ubhayalinga VibhUthi NaaTan : (1) One with a Dhivya
>> MangaLa Vigraham and limitless
>> auspicious GuNams and (2) free from any hEyams (
>> blemishes ). All the limitles guNams
>> fold in to SIX  Primary  GuNams . They are :
>>
>> 1.Jn~Anam ( Omniscience ) , (2) Sakthi (
>> Omnipotence) , (3) Balam (Strength ,
>> (4) Iswaryam ( Lordship) , Veeryam ( Energy ) and
>> Tejas ( Splendour) .
>>
>> All the other GuNams like Souseelyam (Gracious
>> condescense ) ,Soulabyam
>> (Easy accessibility ) , Vaathsalyam ( loving
>> disposition ) , KrupA (Compassion) ,
>> OudhAryA (generosity)  , BandhuthvA ( Friendly
>> Relationship ) and the numerous
>> other auspicious attributes used by AchArya
>> RaamAnujA in His three Gadhyams
>> come under one or more of the six primary GuNmas .
>> Swamy Desikan brings
>> these insights in His Gadhya Thraya , CahthusslOki
>> and SthOthra Rathna BhAshyams
>> in Sanskrit brilliantly .
>>
>> When one reflects on the three gadhyams of RaamAnuja
>> , Panchasthavams of KurEsa ,
>> Swamy AlavanthAr's ChathusslOki and SthOthra Rathnam
>> as well as the profound
>> commentaries of Swamy ParAsara Bhattar on (1) Sri
>> VishNu Sahasra Naamam ,
>> (Sri Bhagavadh GuNa DarpaNam ) , (2) GuNa Rathna
>> Kosam , (3) Sri Rangaraja Sthavam
>> and (4) Thirumanjana Kattiyam fro RanganAthA ; Swamy
>> Desikan's 28 moving SthOthrams
>> and DhramidOpanishath Saaram/Taathparya RathnAvaLi
>> are in Sanskrit . Now , one wonders
>>  why these AchAryAs chose to write in Sanskrit
>> instead of in Agastya BhAshA . Swamy Desikan's
>> Commentaries on PrakaraNa granthams are in MaNi
>> PravALam ( a heavily Sanskritized version of
>> Tamil ). The fact that they wrote only in Sanskrit
>> has many answers form proponents and
>> opponents of Sanskrit as THE medium of communication
>> for Bhagavath GuNAnubhavam .
>> That formed the core of the debate at the Sep 3
>> sessions.
>>
>> AdiyEn has a  biassed view here to share : All of
>> our AchAryAs cited above knew Dhivya
>> Prabhandhams very well including PiLLAn , who wrote
>> the first commentary on ThiruvAimozhi in
>> MaNi PravALam ( 6000 Padi where the two thirds of
>> the words are Sanskrit )  .
>> Yet they chose Sanskrit for Bhagavath GuNAnubhavam
>> because no other language
>> has the SaguNa Texts ( pramANams ) except Sanskrit (
>> Vedam , Upanishads , IthihAsam
>> and Saathvika PurANams : all of these are in
>> Sanskrit ). They needed those SaguNA texts to
>> celebrate
>> and highlight the VisishtAdhvaithic View of
>> Bhagavath GuNAs of Para Brahmam ,
>>
> === message truncated ===
>
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