sri: Dear Devotees, please accept adiyEn's humble pranams. Sri V. Elayavalli Swamin's Question: ==================================================== "The differences in forms of nityodita and sAntodita are beyond the scope of this work and are difficult to understand" .... 193 This is the first time I am coming across these two terms. Where can I find more inforamtion about these two terms. =============End Question============================= To add to the Wonderful Ans. by TA Varadan Swamin. Background: ========== Pillai Lokacharya's TatvaThrayam deals with the three basic realities in 3 chapters. This work is said to be Mini-Sribhashyam (explaining to the ordinary people, who do not have mastery over the original sources) And the common people like us should get a chance to learn, with HIS grace. As knowledge of these realities is needed to attain liberation. Cit : The concious self, The Embodied souls, Atman, Chetana, Jiva etc) Achit : Unconcious Matter Ishvara: Supreme Being. (193) comes in Chapter Isvara tattva: This chapter presents ================================================= The characteristic nature of the Lord, qualities that adorn that nature, Based on the qualities, HIS activities (creation, etc.,) , based on his activities HIS powers (which cause these activities), based on these causes the distinguishing Images that arise. In accordance with the characteristics of these images Lakshmi, Bhumi & Neela; & His lordship over Lakshmi, Bhumi & Neela; And the five modes of HIS presence like Para etc., (used for worship) Answer: From Mamunigal's Commentary on Pillai Lokacharya's TatvaThrayam =========================================================== 193: (In the descriptions of various forms of the LORD) the differrence between Nityodita, Santodita etc., the four forms known as jagrat etc., the idols such as Kesava etc, 36 differrent kinds of vibhavas like padmanabha etc., the spiritual incarnations like Upendra, Trivikrama, Dadibhaktha, Hayagriva, Nara, Narayana, Hari Krishna, Matsya, Kurma, Varaha etc., the differrences between their arms, weapons color, actions, places, etc., is not given here as it is most hidden and its is not easily understandable. The difference between the Nityodita and Santodita etc. - is as it is said in such passages as: >From Nityadita was born Santodita Hari. Visvak Sam. The differrences of the vasudeva idol beginnning with para vasudeva who experiences the state of being eternally released and is called "Nityodita"; Vyuha Vasudeva, Who is produced from Para Vasudeva and is the cause of the Samkarsana Vyuha and is also known by the name "Santodita". There is no contradiction between the said above, That Vyuhas are three and what he says here, with, the inclusion of vyuhavasudeva for Abhiyuktar (Venkatanathar) has said: The Sastras say that the vyuhas are 4 and 3. When there are 4 (forms) he says only three, because there is no differrence of Guna worthy of scrutiny to the form of Vyuhavasudeva more than the para form. [ in Srimad Rahasyatrayasaram 1.5.7.3] The four forms known as jagrat etc. means that he possesses the four forms known as the walking state, dream state, deep sleep, and state of identity, which are present in every one of the four vyuha forms. The purpose of different positions is this; For the sake of fulfilling the desires of thoise who meditate, which he grants by HIS mercy for his servants and for the release of the souls in their respective positions, by assuming the respective positions for the worship of souls under the influence of karma by pervading the souls in the respective stages, as it is said: First is Vyuha, given by me; this is threefold, listen: For the sake of favouring the servants He is estabilshed in states such as dream etc. The distinctions in the states of the dream etc. is for quenching the desire of those who meditate and for the release of the gods from their respective positions; the state of the dream etc., is for controlling the souls under the influence of karma, O commander. This state is [assumed] by my will. I am to be worshipped. That is the purpose of the different positions of great distinctions. The first incarnation has been proclaimed by me. Listen now, concerning the other three incarnations. The states of dream and so on are favourable to the devotees but the differences betweeen the stages of the sleep and so on is for the removeal of the stages of sleep etc., for those who are meditating in order to be freed from the pain., These are also protection for those beings who are in the stages of sleep and so on. Oh great commander for the embodied beings who have karma as their nature, I make myself to be worshipped by my own will; This is the benefit to the differrence between the states. Visvak Sam. ================End Answer =================================== Refererences: Mamunigals' commentary on Pillai Lokacarya's Tattvathryam Translated by Amaldass S.J. Translation by Awasthi BM and CK Dutta Translation by Satyamurthi Ayyangar azhwAr emberumAnAr JeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Mukundan Vangkipuram Pattangi http://www.radioramanuja.com
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