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--- Velukkudi Krishnan <velukkudi@xxxx> wrote:
> From: "Velukkudi Krishnan" <velukkudi@xxxx>
> To: "Nallan Chakravarthy Nappinnai" <nappinnai_nc@xxxx>
> Subject: RE: Nappinnai
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:59:09 +0530
> 
> Dear Smt Nappinnai,
> You have a valid doubt. There are several ways to explain this.
> 1. In the words of Sri Parasara Bhattar Bhoodevi and Nila devi are
> like the
> shadow and kinkaras of Sri Devi . Rangaraja stavam Purva 63
> lakshmIm...chAyAmiva and dEvi tvAmanu nIlayA saha...They are like
> flowers
> and chandan to Sridevi. So an attribute of Nila has to necessarily be
> in Sri
> Devi also. It is common to glorify one of the qualities in each
> personality.
> For example kindly refer to the III prakaranam of Acharya Hrdayam
> which you
> have. Alwar experiences Souhardam with Ranganatha, Vatsalyam with
> Venkatesa,
> Paresatvam with Polindu ninra piran and so on. That does not mean
> that
> Ranganatha does not have Paresatvam or vatsalyam. All the attributes
> are
> inseparable with every form. Importance is attached to some in every
> form.
> Bhattar in the vishnu sahasranama commentary says 'Krishnavatara
> quality is
> Asruta vatsalyam" The quality for Rama is sousIlyam. That does not
> mean
> other avataras do not have this quality. All the qualities are for
> Sri Devi
> and in fact Brahmam finally. They are distributed and glorified for
> easier
> understanding and anubhavam. Take your example of vyuha vasudeva -
> sankarshana - aniruddha - and pradyumna are said to have two
> qualities each
> of gnana bala iswaya virya sakti tejas. That does not mean the
> others do
> not possess the other qualities.
> 2. The kinkaras of Brahmam divide their duties. Sri Devi requests him
> to
> pardon the surrender's papas. BhUdevi a step above hides the papas
> from him.
> Nila devi excels as she is the one who took birth in a community in
> the
> lower strata - she does not know anything called papa.
> 3. All three are mentioned in the vedas and purvacharya sri sooktis.
> hrIsca
> tE lakmIsca patnyou ... ' there are two "ca" used here. One ca is
> enough to
> count Lakshmi and BhUdevi. The additional ca is for nIla dEvi. Swami
> MMunigal in Arti prabandham says vadivArum mAmalarAl valavarugum
> mattrai
> maNmagalum Aymagalum idavarugum iruppa naduvaga vIttrirukkum
> nAranan...It is
> interesting to note that nIla dEvi is always identified with ayar
> madamagal
> unlike Sri and BhUdevi. This is because - the daughter of kumbha (the
> brother of yasoda) was known as nIla only. Pramanam ..."nIlA nAmA ca
> kanya
> sA rUpa oudArya gunAnvitA..." nappinnai was a name coined by
> probably
> alwars. The name is only "pinnai". Nal is added to glorify as she was
> the
> only one who took birth amonst the down trodden. Alwars have used 
> "pinnai"
> in many places .. pinnai manAlA.. thOli sEr pinnai poruttu.
> 4. Sri Ramayanam - valmiki gives examples for the greatness of
> Dasarathas
> three wives. bala kanda - tasya bhAryAsu tisrushu hrI srI
> kIrtyupamAsu ca..
> hrI for patience and so bhUdevi, srI for wealth and so SridEvi, kIrti
> for
> glory and so nIla dEvi.
> 5. nIlO varNa: asti asyA: iti nIla - the definition shows that her
> name is
> derived from Her colour. In caraka samhitA nIla is very important as
> a
> medicinal plant . This may be indigo plant.
> 6. It is popularly known that krishna to marry nappinnai tamed 7
> vrshabha.
> Bhagavan to enjoy an atman , catches hold of two horns, papa and
> punya, and
> breaks them. The seven vrshbhas are garbha janma balya youvana jara
> marana
> naraka. He kills/ tames these seven and gets releases the atman from
> the
> clutches of this samsara to be in eternal bliss with Him. Pramanam :
> tiruviruttam taniyan vyAkyanam .. karuvirutta kuzhi nIttapin.
> 
> There are many more to add. I would write to you later when time
> permits.
> I always prefer to keep the mails private since I am unable to follow
> links
> in the groups. I may not be able to reply for weeks which would spoil
> the
> decorum of the group. Regards.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nallan Chakravarthy Nappinnai [mailto:nappinnai_nc@xxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:21 PM
> To: Velukkudi Krishnan
> Subject: Re: Nappinnai
> 
> 
> Sri:
> Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:
> Dear Sri Velukkudi Krishnan swami,
> Salutations to you. It is my bhAgyam to receive a reply
> from you despite your busy schedule. Thanks very much for the
> explanation. Still I didn't not catch one point. You said nILAdevi is
> the one who keeps PerumAL under control thro' her bhOgam. SO what
> about Sriramavatharam? Was not perumAL in control? Why this is 
> applied only in krshnavatharam? Is it due to the vyUha vAsudeva? 
> I will be indebted to you if you can clarify this point. All I have
> with me is the plain text of NDP,sundara kANdam,nitya anusandhAnam, 
> AH,SVB, mumukshuppadi,thathvatraya(with SS Iyengar's translation),
> BG(van buitenan's translation of Emperumanar's gita bhAShyam). 
> Lot of bhAgavthAs had doubts about this name and sent me mails too. 
> With your permission,if you don't mind,I will forward your reply to
> ramanuja group. Once again my kOti namaskArangaL and mangaLAshAsanams
> to you and your family.
> 
> AzhvAr EmperumAnAr JIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
> kUraththAzvAn thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
> NC Nappinnai


=====
sakrdhEva prapannAya thavAsmIthi ca yAcathE |
abhayam sarvabhUthEbhyO dhadhAmyEthath vratham mama || VR.VI.18.32
sarvaDharmAn parithyajya mAm Ekam sharaNam vraja |
aham thvA sarvapApEbhyO mOkshaiShyAmi mA suca: || BG.18.66

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