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srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha

Dear Sri GuNA swAmin:

Though Sri vELukkuDI varadAchar swamy, in an upanyasam on 
visishTadwaitha siddhantham (available on Chakrika audio) does 
explicitly mention sharaNagathy as a separate act, different from 
prapathi and bhakti, as a means to achieving ugappu in perumAL's 
thiru uLLam, I am not aware of an explicit difference in the meanings 
for the two terms. The reason I mentioned it is because I did not 
want my ignorance to be a basis to mis-represent varadAchar swAmy's 
words.

tvam Eva upAya bhoothO mE bhava ithi prArthanA mathihi sharaNAgathihi 
is sharaNAgathi by definition. Meaning we ask perumAL to be our 
vazhi or upAyam, because of our swaroopam (Akinchanyam, ananyArha 
sEshatvam, ananya gatitvam). Prapatti also means unconditional 
surrender at perumAL's lotus feet. On another note, since Swamy 
piLLai lOkAchAryAr does not mention sharaNagathy (bhakthiyil 
ashakthi - prapathiyil ashakthi - AchAryan thiruvADigaL) explicitly, 
I would think that they are equivalent.

I will be out of the country for a while, but I am sure someone 
knowledgeable on siddhAntham will be able to shed some light on this.

aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

sridhar

--- In ramanuja@xxxx, "Guna Venkat" <guna_venkat@xxxx> wrote:
> Dear Sri .Sridhar Swamy
> Adiyen would like to request you for a clarification on the 
following
> concept of diff between prapatty and Saranagathy
> 
> 
> You mentioned that
> 
> > Sri Velukkudi varadachar swamy would say that ours is the only
> > sampradAyam which provides multifarious paths to reaching perumAL 
and
> > mOksham, and in that step wise progression, the path to perumAL's
> > ugappu is represented in terms of bhakti -- prapatti - 
sharaNagathi -
> > AchArya abhimAnam (thiruvaDigaL)
> >
> 
> In this sequence Adiyen wish to know the diff between Prapatty and
> Sarnagathy, though adiyen can understand the diff , in a general 
way , in
> this context its better if you could clear me how these 2 differs.
> 
> On what I heard about the words of Pillayloka chariar 
that "Bhakthyil
> asakthanukku prapatty , prapattyil asakthanukku ithu" where swamy 
refers
> "ithu" as Acharya Abimanam , now I am reading another link with 
Saranagathy,
> so Adiyen wish to request you to clarify this context meaning.
> 






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