Dear Sir, vanakkam You mentioned: > Bhattar replied "He came to the banks of the river > (the avataras) only after His devotees cried for His > help. We talk of nirhetuka krupai of the Lord. Then why should the Lord wait for the jeevan to cry for help. Why should be said that he reminded this. If he saves only those jeevans who cry for His help, then, what about his nirhetuka krupai? It is already agreed in brahma sutram that the kartrutvam of jeevan is parayattam. There is no doubt here. But the doubt is only on nirhetuka krupai and the incident that you have reffered. At the same time, you mentioned, > even before I can ask for help. > He is lying here > beforehand knowing that I will be near this river. Then why not the Lord out of nirhetuka krupai save all jeevans. Is he picking up at random a jeevan? If he knows this (as he knows everything), why not this was not applicable in the first case. I have not introduced myself to you all till this time and had been a silent reader. My name is R. Manavalan. R stands for my father's name Ranganathan. We are sishyas of Shree vaanamaamalai madam jeear swamigal. We are not dvijas. I have studied mumukshu padi from my father and got to memory the divya prabandams. Apart from this, I do not have any knowledge other than hearing certain upanyasams in temple etc. I am also member in other shree vaishnava lists. My first posting to this group got rejected as the moderator said that the topic did not appear first in this group. I request the group leader to consider this message. I request learned people to help me by clearing my doubt. nandri & vannakam maamuni das. --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "vtca" <vtca@xxxx> wrote: > Sri: > Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama: > > One day Nanjeeyar asked Bhattar "What is the meaning > behind the Lord lying in Srirangam in the banks of > Chandra Pushkarani?" > > Bhattar replied "He came to the banks of the river > (the avataras) only after His devotees cried for His > help. He has come to the banks of Cauvery to save me > even before I can ask for help. He is lying here > beforehand knowing that I will be near this river. > You did not ask for this meaning out of your own > volition. Through you, He reminded me of this". > > AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
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