Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Dear Shri Vishnu, > Now, where is the question of Lord's expectation from the Jeeva to > turn toward Him? If he does not want us to turn towards him, why would he say "Maam ekam Saranam Vraja" in His charama slokham? There are pre and post realization processes. Only when we realize Him, then we will realize His Nirhetuka krupa and that it was He who had been doing everything and we are just the toys. For those who haven't realized, if you tell them "Accept Him and that acceptance (if happens) is only out of His krupA" it would drive them away from our sampradayam, because for an analytical mind, it does not sound practical, but is hypothetical. For those who have not realized, as they do something as a upayam(like bhakthi, karma, gyana etc) the realization is at the end for them. For prapannas, the moment they realize He is the Upayam, then the realization is accomplished and atmaujjeevanam is over. They live the rest of their samsaric life just to support the jagath vyaparam and to get rid of the karmas that would support the deha-vyoham. And after the realization, they understand that even their realization was only because of His krupai. As you yourself said, "Thinking that He is the only way":) means some effort has to be put in(this is one of the initial steps to make one understand the sampradayam i.e pre-realization). But, after one starts "thinking", he/she will realize(due to His Grace) that he/she was able to realize Him only out of His will i.e post-realization. > So when he is not leaving Alwar (including his manas, > vAk, karmA etc.) even for a split second, is the Lord not > instrumental in Alwar's saying "ThirumAlirumjOlai"? Very true. But, same Azhwar sang "Mayakkoottha vamana... oru naal kaana vaaraye", "Katkilee unnai kaanumaaru arulai".. It is the lord's samslesha vishleshams. Azhwar gets into the Gyana dasai during his Samslesham and gets into the Bhakthi dasai during his Vishlesham. This must not be confused with the current subject "madi mangai nyayam", these are two different threads altogether. Please remember all Azhwars sang the prabandhams only after the realization. My point is that we have to understand their works only from that perspective. If we have really attained realization then we would automatically talk only about His Nirhetuka krupa. For those who have not, we must share our bhagavadh anubhavams and make them do something "for" Him ("including the sharanagathi"). But, once they do the sharanagathi, they would understand that it was His krupai that even made them perform the sharanagathi. Lord is indeed instrumental in everything as an antharyami. But, this understanding comes only after the realization doesn't it? Azhwar has realized it. How about others who haven't? How do we make them understand this? For them, if the lord is instrumental and the jeevatmas do "nothing" then aren't we advocating one of the aspects of the "Advaitam" i.e brahmam is only one that does everything and anything else that we perceive are just the maya? That is why I insist that Acharya Hrudhayam has to be felt from the position of Azhwar. It should not be discussed from our day to day samsaric perspective. It is purely from a prappana perspective. As Shri NC Narasimhan mentioned, these are Rahasya Granthams and need to be understood only from the right acharyan. We may read these and try to get familiarity with the information available in it and ask questions. But, this is different from the intent and the perspective of the author Swamy Azhagiya Manalavala Perumal Nayanar. > ALawandAr, in his stotra ratna, who first offers himself to Him > saying "ahamadyaiva mayA samapritah" corrects himself in the next > Sloka by saying "athavA kinnu samarpayAmi tE?" ((when evrything is > Urs, what can I offer you?) This is a perfect example of the pre and post realization process. > In our definition, SaraNAgati is nothing but accepting Him as upAya > and upEya. "accepting" him, itself is an effort isn't it(from a normal perspective). But for the person who realized his "incapability", this realization itself is due to the Lord's grace. Here is the catch in our sampradayam. "accepting" is different from "realizing". One may accept if one is forced or if one is convinced. Lord does not expect people to blindly "accept", otherwise, he would have incorporated that blind belief in the human design. Morever if we expect everyone to accept the lord as the upayam at the initial stage itself, this would get rid of many of the people. I have heard in many kalakshepams that He indefinitely waits for us. For what? If he uses his Nirhetuka krupa, we would not be here. Everyone should have been in moksham. All I am trying to say is that, we must not restrict the view of our sampradayam only to those people who are born and brought up in it and who could easily understand it. It is open to all and hence we must provide appropriate views depending on the audience. To me, we must not even let anyone have a doubt that the lord may be Partial because "HE IS NOT". My apologies in case of mistakes. Kindly correct me in case of mistakes. Yatheendra Pravanam Vandhe RAMYA Jamataram Munim Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, Lakshmi Narasimhan
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