Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Srimad Vara Vara Munaye nama: > In the above,God will shower His grace without any act of surrender. > I strongly disagree with the above statement due to the absence of > the word "too" at the end. God will shower His grace, without any > act of surrender too. This does not mean that one should take for > granted God will anyway shower His grace, and hence can do whatever > he/she wants. This is not as per our Sampradayam. Whether or not "too" appears at the end "does not" matter. Moreover, Vishnu didn't write anywhere that the Lord "will not" shower His grace on those who surrender!!! ALL what matters is "His fee will and nirhEthu krpa". Long time back Tirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh wrote a nice article expressing the views of TennAcArya sampradAyam. The relation between ParamAtma & jIvAtmA is similar to the relation between jIvAtmA & acit. One can not do whatever one wants when one realizes "the true nature" of God's grace. I can quote "my own" personal life as an example! I'm born in a TK family and my parents have taught us the gist(beware not the details!) of TK sampradAyam and yet I used to indulge in "some" negative acts which I don't do anymore. Why? It's because of the "proper knowledge" of the nirhEthuka krpa and the "essential nature of the self". Why did not the Lord give me this knowledge, say a decade ago? Everyday I ask the Lord "why didn't You do this yrs back? and things would have been different! Why,why,why?" And then I laugh loudly at myself looking at the photo of "uRanguvAn pOl yOgam seidhu" SriRanganATha:-) > Whether we go by markata or marjara nyaya, the point is one puts > effort. If a baby doesn't cry, a mother feeds the baby > automatically is what we say. If the baby is bit by a snake and > still doesn't cry, the mother will not know about this, only to see > her baby die. So, we can use these examples to support individuals > views. If we are going to sit like a baby not doing "anything" > assuming he would shower his Nirhetuka grace, what happens to the > world? Is this what our Acharyas told us? In the "mArjara" case,the effort on the part of the kitten is "so minuscule" that it "DOES NOT" deserve "ANY" credit/mention! First of all,the mother is not going to leave the baby in the backyard or frontyard for the baby to get bitten by a deadly spitting cobra! If she does, she is either a fool or knowledgeable,"knowingly well" what might happen to her baby. It is "HIGHLY IMPOSSIBLE" for anyone to sit idle and not do "ANYTHING". You can refer to BG. I don't remember the sloka but I'm 200% sure that it is said in there. Atleast the jIvAtmA will go to the restroom,or atleast drink a glass of water. This is the nature of prakrthi. JIvAtmA/AcAryA(Cf AcArya lakshaNam in SVB) "need not" worry about the world for the world is not "it's creation"! The person/Lord who created/invented needs to worry and it is solely His business/concern to rectify what He created/invented acit/jIvAtmA. Could EmperumAnAr change the entire lIla vibhUthi? NO. Why? Because,by emperumAnAr's own words(to UyyakkoNdAr),the jIvAtmA "lacks" the "grace of the Lord" and that is it's fate and that's why this lIla vibhUthi is still on-going and we are writing posts and exchanging/sharing views in Ramanuja e-list! > So, why was the concept of Kainkaryam even introduced/insisted by > our Acharyas? Why they introduced the concept of "change in > mindset" which they call as Prapatti? Why did our > Acharyas bring in the tradition of so many things in the name of > kainkaryam, while we could do anything and everything(including > what we call the sinful actions) having realized Prapatti? The AcAryAs "did not introduce" any new "concept of kaimkaryam". It is the "innate" or "inherent" trait of the jIvAtmAs! But due to prakrthi maNdalam,that is relegated to the back door and ego and other traits have taken predominance thereby "conceiling" the essential nature of the jIvAtmA. If we say that our AcAryAs "introduced" some new concept "in the middle" then we can't claim/chant "lakshmI nATha samArambAm...." in the Guru Parampara lineage. Our AcAryAs brought out the tradition/concepts,that was existing time immemorial,to the lime light. That is all. They did not introduce any new concepts. > could always bring in statements in support of / against, other's > understandings/views. But we need to understand that these mails or > articles can, in no way enlighten people. These articles can add > value. We could discuss so many other things that add value instead > of discussing these rahasyams which lead to combative articles due > to lack of expressiveness, understanding, interpretations etc. So what kind of "philosophical" or "esoteric stuff" or "other things" one can discuss in R's e-list? If we say R sampradAyam,everything (mOksham,hence tirumanthram,prapatti then automaticallly other three yogas,so on and so forth!) is "INTER-RELATED". If the jIvAtmA has ego,obviously everything will appear as offensive. Mind,with Ego in full swing,has the capacity to take anything as offensive. If there is a value in the post,the reader should take it otherwise leave/reject it. Or (i)R's list can be shut down! (ii)make it only TK forum (iii) even among TKs,allow only those "who get recos from jIyars/AcAryAs" as members. But if it becomes "limited or restricted" it loses the status to retain the title "Ramanuja/ emperumAnAr dharshanam"! Kindly pardon me and my expressive mind. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam NC Nappinnai
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