Dear Shri Mohan and Shri Kasturi Rangan, Azhwars pasurams are numerous to establish paratvam of Sriman Narayana especially of Tirumazhisai piran's tiruchanda viruttam and Nammazhwar's tiruvaimozhi. However, since they become part of Sri Vaishnava sampradhayam, it may not be convincing for other since azhwars sang pasurams only after knowing HIS paratvam. However, Periyazhwar, without any ambiguity, established HIS paratvam in king pandiyan's courthall using vedas "vendiya vedangaL Odhi viraindhu kizhi aruthAn". Shri Velukkudi Swamin had rendered a 2 hour treatise mentioning which of the veda vAkhyams mentions nArAyana paratvam and also how other devatAs are subservient to nArAyanA. This CD is available in US with www.radioramanuja.org namO nArAyanA G.Sundarrajan Aneka Kimia Raya Group 7-8th Floor, Jalan Panjang No.5 Kebon Jeruk, Jakarta, Indonesia Tel : 62-21-5311588 Fax : 62-21-5311388 Mobile : 62-811193742 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mohan Ramanujan" <mohan_ramanujan@xxxx> To: <ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 03:42 PM Subject: Re: [ramanuja] Re: Legitimacy of other vedic 'deities' claim to be brahman Dear Sri Kasturi Rangan, Sure, I will try to find out the translations of Varuna's suktas in Rigveda. Meanwhile, is it possible for any one to get the references/quotes and justifications (with regard to Narayana Paratvam) given by Sri Yamunacharya, Sri Ramanujacharya and any other Sri vaishnava Gurus? If we can get that, I think we will be able to visualize the subject in a better way. Because, I feel currently we are selecting bits & pieces from Veda with whatever knowledge we have and trying to present it to justify the case which I feel may not be the approach used by our Gurus. What we should do is to get to know the approach our poorvacharyas used and apply it. Regards Mohan.R On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 amshuman_k wrote : >Dear Sri Mohan, > The translations are more or less correct (except 1.22, which I'll >cross verify with Griffith's translation. Of course, you can >altogether ignore Griffith, if you aren't interested in anything >written by 'indologists'). > >In the mean time, please go through Rig suktas addressed to VaruNa. >Couldn't we claim the 'paratvam of VaruNa' from those sUktas too? (I >have to dig up exact references, but the sUktas shouldn't be hard to >find in Rig translations). > >Regards, >Kasturi > >--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Mohan Ramanujan" ><mohan_ramanujan@xxxx> wrote: > > Dear Sri Kasturi Rangan > > > > Thanks for the information on Purusha suktam. I was also going >through the translation of Vishnu suktam of Rigveda. I am giving >below these two mantras(verses) and respective meaning. > > > > Rigveda (1.22) > > ____________________________________________ > > idam vişhņur vichakrame tredhā nidadhe padam > > samūļham asya pāmsure ||17|| > > > > Meaning: > > Through this Vishnu strode; thrice he > > > > placed his foot, and the whole world > > > > lay in the dust of his feet. > > ____________________________________________ > > trīnÙi padā vichakrame vişhņur gopā >adābhyaĥ > > ato dharmāņi dhārayan ||18|| > > > > Three steps he made, Vishnu the Guardian > > > > undeceivable; from there > > > > upholding the eternal Laws. > > ____________________________________________ > > > > I have taken this translation from "SAKSIVC" website www.vedah.com. > > > > > > Well, if we go by this translation, I don't think we will have any >doubt regarding Vishnu paratvam. However, I am not sure if >translation by others differ from this or not. > > > > Can you please comment on this. > > > > Regards > > Adiyen Mohan Ramanujadasan > > > > > > > > > > > >azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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