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Dear Shri Mohan and Shri Kasturi Rangan,

Azhwars pasurams are numerous to establish paratvam of Sriman Narayana
especially of Tirumazhisai piran's tiruchanda viruttam and Nammazhwar's
tiruvaimozhi. However, since they become part of Sri Vaishnava
sampradhayam, it may not be convincing for other since azhwars sang pasurams
only after knowing HIS paratvam. However, Periyazhwar, without any
ambiguity, established HIS paratvam in king pandiyan's courthall using vedas
"vendiya vedangaL Odhi viraindhu kizhi aruthAn". Shri Velukkudi Swamin had
rendered a 2 hour treatise mentioning which of the veda vAkhyams mentions
nArAyana paratvam and also how other devatAs are subservient to nArAyanA.
This CD is available in US with www.radioramanuja.org

namO nArAyanA

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohan Ramanujan" <mohan_ramanujan@xxxx>
To: <ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 03:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ramanuja] Re: Legitimacy of other vedic 'deities' claim to be
brahman


Dear Sri Kasturi Rangan,

Sure, I will try to find out the translations of Varuna's suktas in Rigveda.

Meanwhile, is it possible for any one to get the references/quotes and
justifications (with regard to Narayana Paratvam) given by Sri Yamunacharya,
Sri Ramanujacharya and any other Sri vaishnava Gurus? If we can get that, I
think we will be able to visualize the subject in a better way. Because, I
feel currently we are selecting bits & pieces from Veda with whatever
knowledge we have and trying to present it to justify the case which I feel
may not be the approach used by our Gurus. What we should do is to get to
know the approach our poorvacharyas used and apply it.



Regards
Mohan.R







On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 amshuman_k wrote :
>Dear Sri Mohan,
> The translations are more or less correct (except 1.22, which I'll
>cross verify with Griffith's translation. Of course, you can
>altogether ignore Griffith, if you aren't interested in anything
>written by 'indologists').
>
>In the mean time, please go through Rig suktas addressed to VaruNa.
>Couldn't we claim the 'paratvam of VaruNa' from those sUktas too? (I
>have to dig up exact references, but the sUktas shouldn't be hard to
>find in Rig translations).
>
>Regards,
>Kasturi
>
>--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Mohan Ramanujan"
><mohan_ramanujan@xxxx> wrote:
> > Dear Sri Kasturi Rangan
> >
> > Thanks for the information on Purusha suktam. I was also going
>through the translation of Vishnu suktam of Rigveda. I am giving
>below these two mantras(verses) and respective meaning.
> >
> > Rigveda (1.22)
> > ____________________________________________
> > idam vi&#351;h&#326;ur vichakrame tredh&#257; nidadhe padam
> > sam&#363;&#316;ham asya p&#257;msure ||17||
> >
> > Meaning:
> > Through this Vishnu strode; thrice he
> >
> > placed his foot, and the whole world
> >
> > lay in the dust of his feet.
> > ____________________________________________
> > tr&#299;nÙi pad&#257; vichakrame vi&#351;h&#326;ur gop&#257;
>ad&#257;bhya&#293;
> > ato dharm&#257;&#326;i dh&#257;rayan ||18||
> >
> > Three steps he made, Vishnu the Guardian
> >
> > undeceivable; from there
> >
> > upholding the eternal Laws.
> > ____________________________________________
> >
> > I have taken this translation from "SAKSIVC" website www.vedah.com.
> >
> >
> > Well, if we go by this translation, I don't think we will have any
>doubt regarding Vishnu paratvam. However, I am not sure if
>translation by others differ from this or not.
> >
> > Can you please comment on this.
> >
> > Regards
> > Adiyen Mohan Ramanujadasan
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam
>
>
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