Dear Shri Vishnu, I heard the following in a kalakshepam. Kindly excuse my way of presenting the same. Q: Karma is anaadhi. So, how would I accept prathama prayathnam. A: Why would you not agree with the prathama prayathnam that is clearly accepted by our poorvaacharyas. They in fact have based many granthas, mainly Shri Bhashyam, on that. Prathama prayatnam aka prathama pravrutthi is one of those subjects that Shri Vedantha Desikar differs from Shri Ramanujar. Shri Ramanujar claims that there is prathama pravrutthi while Shri Vedantha Desikar denies it. Desikar says karma of a jeevathma is anaadhi(beginning-less) and hence there is no beginning for karma and hence the prayatnam. But, swami Kooratthazhwan and Maamunigal nicely explain the term anaadhi. They say that anaadhi could be due to two reasons. One could be because, the beginning does not exist('aadhi illaamaiyaale') and the other could be because the beginning is not known('aadhi ariyaamaiyaale'). So, they say that the karma of a Jeevathma is anaadhi by the second view (and there by prathama pravrutthi is when karma begins) where as the Jeevathma Paramaathma sambandham is anaadhi by the first definition. sarva aparaadhaan kshamasva... Adiyen, Ramanuja Dasan. --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu@xxxx> wrote: > > > --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Padmanabhan <aazhwar@xxxx> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri VishNu, > > > > The text of the vyAkyanam says it as "vudhAsEnanaip pOlEa" > > Respected Swami, > > If it is prathama prayatnam, why the AchArya brings "pUrva vAsanA.." > into picture? > > > > > 2. I dont understand the first question ? > > > > 3. Do you agree with the concept of pradhama prayathnam? > > No. > > adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan > Vishnu ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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