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Dear Shri Vishnu,

I heard the following in a kalakshepam. Kindly excuse my way of 
presenting the same.

Q: Karma is anaadhi. So, how would I accept prathama prayathnam.

A: Why would you not agree with the prathama prayathnam that is 
clearly accepted by our poorvaacharyas. They in fact have based many 
granthas, mainly Shri Bhashyam, on that.

Prathama prayatnam aka prathama pravrutthi is one of those subjects 
that Shri Vedantha Desikar differs from Shri Ramanujar. Shri 
Ramanujar claims that there is prathama pravrutthi while Shri 
Vedantha Desikar denies it. Desikar says karma of a jeevathma is 
anaadhi(beginning-less) and hence there is no beginning for karma and 
hence the prayatnam. But, swami Kooratthazhwan and Maamunigal nicely 
explain the term anaadhi. They say that anaadhi could be due to two 
reasons. One could be because, the beginning does not exist('aadhi 
illaamaiyaale') and the other could be because the beginning is not 
known('aadhi ariyaamaiyaale'). So, they say that the karma of a 
Jeevathma is anaadhi by the second view (and there by prathama 
pravrutthi is when karma begins) where as the Jeevathma Paramaathma 
sambandham is anaadhi by the first definition.

sarva aparaadhaan kshamasva...

Adiyen,
Ramanuja Dasan.

--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> 
> --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Padmanabhan <aazhwar@xxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > Dear Sri VishNu,
> > 
> > The text of the vyAkyanam says it as "vudhAsEnanaip pOlEa"
> 
> Respected Swami,
> 
> If it is prathama prayatnam, why the AchArya brings "pUrva 
vAsanA.." 
> into picture?
> 
> > 
> > 2. I dont understand the first question ?
> > 
> > 3. Do you agree with the concept of pradhama prayathnam?
> 
> No.
> 
> adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan
> Vishnu








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