Adiyen, by HIS grace would like to explain that Sriman Narayanan is the supreme paramatma of all. In fact there are many pramAnams from Vedas, Upanishads, Meemamsa,Nyaya darga Puranas, Smruthis which explains very clearly that Sriman Narayanan is Paramporul. The problem with Vedas is that, it will confuses many people who can not perform Nyaya sancharam into it. Adiyen will try to explain the concept of Sriman Narayanan as parathEvathai, paramporul,sarvEswaran to all without touching Vedas. 1) While Srimad Ramanujar had some doubts, he insists thiru-k-kachchi nambigal to clear his doubts from Lord Varadaraja Perumal, since thiru-k-kachchi nambigal had bhAgyam of interacting with Lord Varadan through archA thirumEni at Kachchi. When thiru-k-kacchi nambigal during his aalavatta kainkaryam intimated about the doubt that Srimad Ramanujar had, Lord Varadan cleard the doubts by giving 6 words as answers which is populalry called as "Varadaraja Perumalin 6 vaar- thaigal" through thiru-k-kachchi nambigal to Ramanujar. The first word given by Lord Himself is: 1) "ahamEva parantattvam" the word itself says that, HE is ParathEvathai,param porul, sarveswaran. There is NO one, who is on par equal with him NOR superior than him. THis is stated by the alwar as "Oththar mikkaarai ilayaaya maamaaya...." In Varadaraja Sthavam by KooratAlwan he states that Sriman Narayanan is paramporul in his first slokam "swathi hasthigirimasthasEkara: santhanOthu mayi santhadham hari: | nissamaapyadhikamapyadhaththa yam dEvamoubhanishadhI saraswathI ||" It is not that Veda or any purana is telling who is paramporul or parathevadai. The Lord Himself had stated as HE is Supreme , paramporul , sarvEswaran. In Bhagavat Gita, many places, Lord Krishna explained about HIS supremeness as Parathevathai especially in Sarama slokam. Adiyen dont find that,except Sriman Narayanan no other thevathai had stated their supremeness (paramporul) during VibhavAvataram(Lord Krishna through Gita) and Archa thirumEni( Lord Varadan through thiru-k-kachchi nambigal). 2) From Thirumazhisai Alwar Pasuram, first pasuram "Naanmuganai nArayanan padaithaan naanmuganum thaanmugamAi-ch sankaranai-th thaanpadaithan yaanmugamaai anthAdhi mElittu ariviththEn aalporulai sinthAmal konminIr thErnthu " Instead of explaining the above pasuram in english adiyEN would like the person to read the vyAkyAnam by Acharyar periyavaachan pillai which after reading that, we can surely argue that Sriman narayanan is paramporul. Adiyen will continue in next mail through Nampaaduvaan vaibhavam in Kaisika puraanam. adiyen, senthil \--- kannan_mukundam <kannan_mukundam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Adiyen all Bhagavatas, > > I heard comments from some Shaivaties that ..in > Bhagavata > purana..while churning the milk ocean..when Halahala > appeared..all > devatas along with Vishnu went to Shiva and prayed > Shiva as follows: > > 29. O lord, the five important Vedic mantras are > represented by your > five faces, from which the thirty-eight most > celebrated Vedic mantras > have been generated. Your Lordship, Lord Siva, you > are self- > illuminated. You are directly situated as the > supreme truth, known as > Paramatma. > > 31. O Lord Girisa, since the impersonal Brahman > effulgence is > transcendental to the material modes of goodness, > passion and > ignorance, the various directors of this material > world certainly > cannot appreciate it or even know where it is. It is > not > understandable even to Lord Brahma, Lord Visnu or > the King of heaven, > Mahendra. > > > And also they claimed that Vishnu also born from > Soma , they > provided some Rigvedic mantras: > > sómaH pavate janitaá matiinaáM janitaá divó janitaá > pRthivyaáH > janitaágnér janitaá suúryasya janiténdrasya janitótá > víSNoH > > 9.096.05 The Soma flows, the father of holy hymns, > the father of > heaven, the father of the earth, the father of Agni, > the father of > the sun, the fatherwho begot Indra and Vis.n.u. > > They are claiming Shiva is supreme being, please > let me know any of > you that how can I refute these people who are > decreasing Narayana's > supremacy and they making there is some one else > partvam then > Narayana . > > I am eagerly waiting for your replies.. > > Adiyen > Kannan.M > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. 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