Dear Swamis, I am extremely pained to see the 1000 pillar mandapam in front of the temple simply razed to nothing. This great mandapam was built by Salva Maldeva Raya one of the power ful kings in the year 1450AD. I think he was the king reigning when sri Annamacharya was there. It is a model in itself with exquisite granite carvings & inscriptions. Many important events have taken place. It is a gift of history to the mankind & it deserves to be protected like the temple itself. I am infact taken aback when TTD has almost bulldozed the entire surroundings at Tirumala, sparing only the Ananda Nilayam complex i.e. inside the Rajagopuram. It is pathetic to see that many buildings & surroundings of great importance which are desrved to be protected at what ever cost have been mercilessly demolished without any respect for the past. I think this act of TTD is a high handedness & deserves to be condemned in the strongest manner possible. They have neither the right nor any business to do this. The reasons given by them are too low in importance to qualify for such an act. I would put TTD in a place even worse than the dismissed Taliban givernment in Afganistan which demolished Bamiyan buddha statues. There are video clippings on the web site of sri chinna jeer swamy which speak volumes. When the world is going in the direction of protecting heritage by sanctioning millions of Euros e.g. UNESCO, where in even city layouts are not altered, but protected. It is only in our own country that these kind of ill-acitivities and attrocities contnue. Sometimes, i wonder how can such a civilised country be transformed into the most uncivilised nation of the world ! - I should now make this statement because I cant tolerate this attrocity. I request all to condemn this dastardly act and demand for resurrection of the mandapam in exactly sama splendour, not less not more. Also the demolished sannidhis & places of religious historical importance should be reinstated for the future generation & public. No one should have right to tamper with them. I think TTD has no right to continue after this act. Sajjana Pada Padma Parama renuhu Lakshmi Narasimha dasa Ramana Ramana <dwaraka@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Priya Bhagavat Bhanduo! It is very good to see the discussion on the subject. Unfortunately because of the difference in our opiniion, TTD is doing all mischief. I beg with folded hands to each and every body, please snub our individual preferences and join hands with everybody to fight against TTD. Today it is Tirumala, tomorrow it will be another temple. When a small mazid appears on the road, they will protect it and lay the road around it. Then why is that TTD is destroying the centuries old structures. Please try to understand the hidden agenda behind the demolition of structures. We should not forget that we are all followers of Bhagavad Ramajuja. If do not join the hands and fight now then it is better that we do not call ourselves vaishnavaites. Hope everybody understands. Let Lord Narayana give us strength. dwaraka ramanuja dasan >From: narsaraj kompally <kompally_narsaraj@xxxxxxxxx> >To: narsimhan csl <cslnarsimhan@xxxxxxxxx>, Varathan Ranganathan ><r_varathan@xxxxxxxxx>, srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >CC: narsimhan csl <cslnarsimhan@xxxxxxxxx> >Subject: Satsang, Sampradaya, etc etc >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:19:31 -0700 (PDT) > >It is great to learn about the good things done by >your father. My main contention is the so-called "SRI >VAISHNAVAITES" , people from this "GREAT SATSANG" has >noword to say about the destructions at Tirumala. >Instead of talking all these sampradaya, they should >be talking about protecting our heritage and saving >our lord from these corrupt TTD officials and fake >swamijis. My intention is not to abuse any acharya as >a matter of fact. But we should not keep quite when >the same acharyas is encouraging the ADHARMA. > >When did we talk about the Tirumala and participated >in the protests that are being organized to stop the >destructions at Tirumala. We are busy fooling >ourselves by simply talking about GOD, SAMPRADAYA and >all other nonsense, instead of first protecting our >LORD, whom we talk in praise in and out every minute >in this yahoo group. > >Reg supporting, i am not quite sure whether Ahobila >Mutt jeeyar supported this cause totally or not. It is >for sure that Jeeyar swamiji participated in the >ADHARMA done by TTD (by sitting beside LORD in his >simhasanam in one of the celebrations at Tirumala, >that too twice). Regarding Sankarachary, thats really >funny that he is against TTD. He is the one who keep >on adding fuel and made several scralegeous remarks on >the traditions and heritige of TTD. I am sorry to say >that i dont like any more calling him as Jagdguru. >coz, guru should always be a role model for his >students, not just biting his own words. > >AGAIN, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF THIS GROUPS TALK ABOUT >THE HAPPENINGS AT TIRUMALA AND SUPPORT THE NOBLE >CAUSE. INSTEAD OF JUST TALKING ALL THESE SAMPRADAYA, >WHICH IS WASTE AND USELESS, IF OUR LORD IS NOT >PROTECTED. > >I AM ALSO SURE THAT THIS MY MESSAGE WILL NEVER BE >PUBLISHED AT SRIRANGASRI, COZ SEVERAL OF MY REQUESTS >TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROTEST ( A SIMPLE REQUEST TO >ENDORSE PETITION) HAS BEEN REJECTED AND NEVER >PUBLISHED. IT LOOKS TO ME JUST FOR THE SAKE OF >DISCUSSION, WE DISCUSS ALL THESE CRAP (SORRY TO SAY, >AS I FEEL IF WE DONT WANT TO PROTECT THE GOD AND THEN >TALK GREATNESS ABOUT THE SAME god, IT IS REALLY >FUNNY). BY DOING THIS , WE MAY GET SATISFACTION BY >SHOWING OF YOURSELF TO EVERYONE ). May be I should get >out of this yahoo group. > >Again, if this offends anyone, I appologise, but it is >a fact. A satsang is a waste, unless you show in >action not just by talking. > >(This message is sent without proof-reading) > >Adiyen ramanuja dasan >Narsaraj >--- narsimhan csl <cslnarsimhan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > Dear Bhagavatottamas, > > > > It is really great to see for the first time some > > one has started speaking the language which we have > > been all along speaking through a magazine called > > VAK and fighting against the bad & neglect status of > > religious institutions in Andhra & in fact the > > entire country so to say. > > > > I was also pleased to see a nice response from Sri > > Sharma garu who has been instrumental in staging a > > protest meeting in front of Indian embassy in US. > > > > For your information, this act of the Govt is an age > > old one in A.P atleast. I will narrate something > > interesting to u all at this stage. Some years back, > > in the name of road widening many historic sannidhis > > including Ahobila Mutt, Parakala Mutt etc. were > > issued notice of demolishment by the TTD. In fact > > except Ahobila Mutt all other sannidhis have been > > already demolished. It was my father then who stood > > like a great stumbling block in front of the TTD to > > demolish the Ahobila Mutt (on the hill -I think many > > old generation people would remember this mutt). My > > father out of his own commitment and interest > > towards the Mutt, had files a public interest > > litigation which was admitted by the high court and > > a stay order was issued against the demolition. If > > only this was not done, today, the historical 'Van > > Satakopa Vanam' would have been destroyed along with > > the Mutt premises. Subsequently, TTD entered into an > > out of court settlement with Ahobila Mutt agreeing > > to protect all the Sannidhis > > prevailing inside the Mutt & arranging for Pooja as > > per the sampradayam of the Mutt in all the concerned > > sannidhi. TTD also allocated a bigger land at > > another location, where presently, a sprawling > > Ahobila Mutt complex exists with patronage of many > > devotees. A similar allocation was made also for > > other sannidhis which were demolished by TTD - this > > is a fallout of this fight which was joined by > > shishyas of all respective affected mutts thereof. > > > > The learning lesson from this is that a single > > person with commitment can make a big change. Right > > now, we are fighting tooth and nail to get the > > legislation on endowments act in AP amended. A half > > an hour debate was held recently inside the AP > > assembly on this subject. The man instrumental > > behind this whole debate is again Prof. Soundara > > Rajan, my father. > > > > I can only say that we should not and for that > > matter need not blame our acharyas for this. It is > > we the follwers who are showing a blind eye to the > > developments and really not the Acharyas. All of > > them have been very keen and are doing their best to > > fight for this cause. The Jeer of Sri Ahobila Mutt, > > Sri Thridandi Srman Narayana jeer swamy, Srimad > > Andavan swamy and Jagadguru Sankaracharya were all > > together in opposing this act of the TTD. > > > > I had wrote a cursory item about this subject long > > back inSri Ranga Sri. But since it was not very much > > within the objective of this site, I chose to not > > continue further. I only limit myself to convey some > > good developments to our Sri community as and when > > they occur. > > > > I think we are strong and united & hence we can > > surely win this cause. Lets see that our temple > > structures which are symbols of our heritage and > > culture are not feddled by the secular governments. > > When UNESCO takes lots of steps to protect even > > houses (leave alone monuments) and the lay out of > > many European cities why not we fight against the > > destruction of our temple structures. It will be an > > amazing site to see in Europe houses dated to 9th > > century AD are protected intact sometimes. > > > > Sajjana Padapadma Parama renuhu > > > > Lakshmi Narasimha dasan > > > > > > > > narsaraj kompally <kompally_narsaraj@xxxxxxxxx> > > wrote: Dear All, > > It is great to see many souls discussing about > > different sampradaya, very intellectual topics, > > dharma, great news about our acharyas etc etc. This > > is > > a good SatSang. As our Bhagavad Ramanuja Charyulu > > said, SatSang should be just sitting and talkig > > about > > everything and keep your eyes closed when something > > bad is happening around you. What ever intellectual > > you are, if you just shut your mouth for the ADHARMA > > happening around you, then it doesn't matter whether > > you are a great seer or a great soul. > > > > Does any one of us talked and felt the ADHARMA > > happening at Tirumala? I haven't seen a damn posting > > regarding this? If not, then what is all this pooja, > > samapradaya talking in this yahoo group. Unless you > > protect your GOD, there is no meaning in talking in > > praise of the same GOD. > > > > An Acharya is the first person who should come > > forward > > to protect ADHARMA. He has to raise to the occasion. > > They should in turn guide and give us strength in > > achieving the same. I AM SORRY TO SAY. But our > > Acharyas like Sri Sri Sri Ahobila Mutt Jeeyar > > Swamiji > > and Kanchi Sankaracharyulu did. Instead of becoming > > a > > role model for us, their studends, they have chosen > > to > > keep a blind eye towards the happenings at Tirumala. > > More than that, they have also joined/participated > > with TTD. > > This is not GOOD. We should not criticize our > > Acharyas, but we should CLOSE EYES when the same > > Acharyas indulging in ADHARMA. We should still > > follow > > them but also communicate our feelings to them. > > > > Acharya Devo Bhava:. Teacher is another person with > > whom we spent most of our childhood after our > > parents. > > We expect them to teach us but the other way. > > > > After seeing all these, one thing I feel. We all > > Vaishnavaites (at least, we should be the first to > > raise to the occasion. Instead we are busy doing > > POOJA,MADI, SAMPRADAYA, SATSANG, VISITING TEMPLES, > > BREAKING COCONUTS and the most, INCREASING > > POPULATON. > > > > Friends, this is not good. We need to show a little > > concern towards the GOD who we worship every minute. > > > > This is not personal. Just would like to share my > > thoughts. > > No hard feelings. > > > > Narsaraj ramanuja dasi > > narsaraj@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > --- Varathan Ranganathan wrote: > > > > > Dear Swamin, > > > > > > I humbly request the moderator to filter any > > > inflamatory messages. I strongly believe some of > > the > > > sectarian feelings are started to heal in our > > > generation and we should not allow them to pop up > > > again. We are having more in common than our > > > differences and we should leverage that. At the > > same > > > time we can allow members to discuss on our > > various > > > samparadayam without hurting others feeling. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dasan. > > > --- narsimhan csl wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhagavatottamas, > > > > > > > > I am referring to the mail of Sri M Sadagopan > > > swamy. > > > > The statements which he is making about 1-4 > > pattam > > > > jeers of Sri Ahobila Mutt are factually > > incorrect. > > > > > > > I dont think Sri Chinnjeer swamy would have > > > allowed > > > > such a writing in Bhakti Nivedana. I would like > > to > > > > see the copy of this posting. Even, if such a > > > thing > > > > exists, in my opinion it must be due to some > > error > > > > and cannot be intentional. > > > > > > > > The second aspect, which I really am not able to > > > > understand is the connection between Azhwar > > > > thriunagari practice and his above claim about > > 1-4 > > > > pattam jeers of Ahobila Mutt. > > > > > > > > Over all, I really dont understand why such a > > > topic > > > > is to be discussed in this forum. > > >=== message truncated === > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --------------------------------- Post Classifieds on MSN classifieds. Buy and Sell on MSN Classifieds --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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