Swamin Getting alarmed does not help. Hyperbole does not help either. Hinduism cannot ever die. If there is one good confirming vedic practioner our way of life will survive. The fact that the number of hindus increased from 600 MILL to 800 MILL while say for example all other denominations increased from 100 MILL to 300 MILL the percentages have fallen behind. 600/700 roughly 86% to 800/1100 roughly 73% so we should not fall for the statistician trick present the same set of facts using different norms and inapplicable and imply something very drastic. In the last 50 years population has increased and the rate of growth has decreased. This is what we want. Why should we be alarmed? Now the decadence in Indian mind is indeed alaraming. it is all selfish, going after money that will not follow us one minute when we are dead... this is all very alarming.. ignoring temples, not caring for someone who is suffering and saying that this is all due to caste is alarming. Is it castes that created the difference. Is it not the practioners who ill-treated certain other castes. mindless and politicians without a conscious used it to their benefit. We cannot complain about them either. our religion with caste is a superior way of living. religion without ritual is a brain without a body. religion without philosophy is a body without brain. So our religion has all of this and it is complete. We should be proud to understand and follow to the fullest extent. There is no room for thinking less of another gender or another person. This is not allowed. Anyone who finds a difference in others is not aware of Gita and its basic tenents. The author instead of stating the facts as it is tries to invect useless and misleading numbers in the beginning and then tries to ascribe it to caste which is at best an irrelevant factor. Indian mind is corrupt today including IAS/IFS and all the govt bureacracies. adiyen is first line. We need to change fundamentally. What good is it if we cannot lay proper road? that is where we are... We are also very egotistical we cannot sit down and think about our problems aloud without becoming emotional about it. I can bet that many reading this email will be inflamed and allow my limitations to ruin their afternoon getting mad and angry. They cannot realize I am on the same side as anyone else who loves and adores and respects our way of life, going back to gokulum. adiyen RK --- alambda <alambda@xxxx> wrote: > Dear Shri Raman, > > may I know why and how you say there is no reason to > be alarmed???? > the percentage > of Hindu's may be very high comparing to other > communities as you put it, > but the questions should be also how many Hindus > really knows values of > Sanathana Dharma, one way not knowing much about our > own faith can also > contribute to subject here. > > In the real sense one does not become a Hindu by > just being born in a Hindu > family, but knowing about the principle of Hinduism > (Sanathana Dharma) and > try to uphold its principles and if need be share it > with other communities. > ( I am not asking our guys to go out and convert > others like Christians and > Islam does) > > Gupta's statement can also be taken in different > sense as one who is not > very proud of their own religion can also be a > catalyst to its down fall, it > need be considered as Hinduism will be erased from > the face of the earth, > that is not going to happen, but inspite of 1 > billion people being Hindus > and sheer 20-30 million being Jews, we don't need to > state who hold better > power/saying in the world affairs. > > So, Mr. Gupta's article should not be thrown into a > back burner, but > carefully analysed and necessary steps should be > taken. > > Family Planning: we can certainly have 2-3 children > per hindu family and > have faith that we can certainly provide for their > betterment, if not too > much materialisic gain. That confidence will come > only if there are enough > institurion/hospital, exclusively for Hindus, run by > Hindu communities, that > is the assurance that Hindu Childrens of the future > will be taken care. > These activities are very common in India for > Islamic childrens, and > Christians are equally supportive to their own > community. One need to see > the Nadar Christian community for this, so, they > have no worries making more > childrens, easily 5 per family. Reality is we don't > talk as a community but > as an individual, Let us act as a community and you > can count my > participation in any level. For sure, we have to > abandon the Casteism and > all Hindus are childrens of same Vedic Faith. > > hari om > > Swathi > Hong Kong > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Raman Kannan <rrfamily@xxxx> > To: GV & Shobha Srinivasan > <shobha.srinivasan@xxxx>; <> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:26 AM > Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Re: Vedas, Hindu > scriptures prohibit casteism > > > > There is a serious flaw in the argument advanced > > by this article. > > The % will go down as the count goes up > > in other communities. > > The number of people who believe in hinduisim > > has not gone down as this article would suggest. > > > > The total number of people has not remained > constant. > > > > Other communities have grown out of proportion > > because majority practice birth control and > > so it happens more hindus practice family planning > > than other communities. > > > > There are other reasons to ponder the rest of > > the argument, but let us not be alarmed by > > declining percentage of hindus in the world > > or India. > > -- > > anandavalli dasan > > --- GV & Shobha Srinivasan > > <shobha.srinivasan@xxxx> wrote: > > > Namaskaram, > > > > > > I do not know how many people could see this > message > > > below from the website. > > > I have cut & paste for devotees who could not > read > > > from the website. > > > > > > This is a very interesting article & hence I am > > > posting the whole article. > > > Some agree & some disagree. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shobha Srinivasan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.sify.com/cgi-bin/sifynews/news/content/news_fullstory_v2.jsp?art > > > > icle_oid=12564633 > > > > > > > > Vedas, Hindu scriptures prohibit casteism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By O.P. Gupta > > > > > > Over centuries, the percentage of Hindus in the > > > world and even in India has > > > been declining. The share of Hindus in total > > > population of India was 84.98 > > > percent in the 1951 census, 82.7 percent in > 1971, > > > 82.6 percent in 1981 and > > > 82.41 percent in 1991. > > > > > > In the 2001 census report (table 24), it has > been > > > further revised downwards > > > to 82 per cent in 1991 census. > > > > > > This decline warrants serious introspection and > > > reappraisal of our > > > socio-religious norms. Whereas Islamic and > Christian > > > priests have been > > > working overtime to seek new converts so as to > > > increase their demographic > > > weight, bulk of Hindu priests unaware of > Rigvedic > > > norms but, armed with > > > Manusmriti have been functioning in such manner > over > > > last one thousand that > > > years reduces population of Hindus by making it > > > difficult for a sizeable > > > chunk of Hindus (now called ST/SC/Dalits) to let > > > them remain Hindus with > > > honour and dignity; and, by not seeking new > converts > > > to Hinduism. > > > > > > Concepts like castes by birth, upper/lower > castes, > > > untouchables and dalits > > > are expressly prohibited by Rigveda, Ramayana > and > > > Shrimad Bhagwat Gita. > > > > > > Protagonists of castes by birth cite Purus-Sukta > > > (X.90.12) of Rigveda and > > > slokas (IV.13) and (XVIII.41) of Gita. This > claim is > > > totally knocked down by > > > other richas of Rigveda, other slokas of Gita > and > > > examples set by Lord Rama. > > > > > > There is no birth based caste in Rigveda is > evident > > > from simple fact that > > > names of none of Rigvedic rishis carry any > present > > > day caste titles like > > > Pandit, Sharma, Tripathi, Chaturvedi, Trivedi, > > > Singh, Gupta and Namboodari. > > > > > > Vedas, Valmiki Ramayan and Gita are three and > only > > > three supreme religious > > > scriptures of Hindus. Rigveda has revelations to > 414 > > > rishis. Rigveda was > > > composed around 1500 BC but other school > believes it > > > to be older than 5000 > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
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