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Respected Srivaishnavas

 

I think that except for the clerics (i.e. people in the priestly profession), 
there is no restriction on Sri Vaishnavas to travel and settle abroad.

 

It is only the primary urge to make a decent living that has forced many a 
Indian to go abroad and even settle down.

 

Thanks to modern communications he is able to communicate online and is able to 
re-visit the motherland, occasionally.

 

The roots of many a person who have contributed in this electronic journal have 
shown that at heart they continue to be a Srivaishnava and deeply revere the 
Indian culture.

 

I find that there is really no need for a person who is Srivaishnava at heart 
to come back and settle down back in India.

 

If that is the true and the same logic is applied to persons settled elsewhere 
in India then what will happen to people like me whose forefathers have come 
down and settled down in Hyderabad, two generations ago. Hyderabad has thrown 
up several eminent "Srivaishnavas" who practice Srivaishnavism and by their 
shining living (in spiritual terms) been a glorious example to others. I think 
that I am as good a Srivaishnava as a Srivaishnava from Srirangam.

 

I think that I may not be able to agree with Sri Mukundan Swami when he finds 
that it may become the bounden duty of all Srivaishnava to yearn and make it 
possible to come down back to the India.

 

In this context we may see a more intent meaning in the words of the the Saint 
when he told "Iruppidum Vaikundam, Vengadam"

 

It may not be out of place to note that the Head Quarters of the Jehovah 
Witnesses is in New York and not in Israel or Sinai or Egypt or any biblical 
country. Centuries hence I will not be surprised if New York or any city 
outside India becomes the fountain head for Srivaishnavism. It is ultimately 
the strength of the Satsang - in terms of quality and also numerical terms.

 

(I do not at all try to belittle my motherland which is undoubtedly the 
Karmabhoomi). 

 

Dasan Madhavan

 

 
 

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From: elangadu santanam mukundan [mailto:mukundan_es@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sat 2/5/2005 2:53 PM
To: Sudarshan K Madabushi; srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Fwd: Re: [t'venkatam] Karma Bhoomi/ bhogha bhoomi





SRI HARI
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY SRI
SUDARSHAN SWAMI.  HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO CAUTION THE
DEVOTEES THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE T AKEN FOR GRANTED T
HAT IT IS NECESSARY TO GO ABROAD TO EARN A LOT IN
ORDER TO DO BHAGAVAT OR BHAAGAVATA OR ACHARYA
KAINKARYA.  IF ONE IS IN CONSTANT SATSANG WHEREVER HE
IS, THEN THERE IS NO PROBLEM AT ALL.  THE QUESTION IS:
 IS IT REALLY POSSIBLE TO BE ABSORBED IN SATSANGAM
WHILE STAYING ABROAD?  THE MATERIAL OPULANCE, THE
COMFORTS, WHICH ARE ALMOST LIKE INDRA LOKA CAN EASILY
MISGUIDE A SINCERE DEVOTEE.  THE MATERIAL WORLD CAN
ALSO MISGUIDE ONE EVEN IN BHARATAVARSHA BUT THERE ARE
PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR A SATSANG.  IT IS A RISK
ABROAD.   LET THE YOUNGER GENERATION NOT CONFUSE THAT
IT IS INEVITABLE TO GO ABROAD IN ORDER TO SERVE THE
ACHARYA.
I BOW DOWN TO THE LOTUS FEET OF ALL THE SRIVAISHNAVAS
WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING THEIR MIGHT FOR THE GROWTH OF OUR
SAMPRADAYAM EVEN WHEN THERE ARE STAYING AWAY FROM
THEIR MOTHERLAND, THE BHARATAVARSHA.  LET ME ALSO
REQUEST THEM  TO PREACH ABOUT THE SATSANG WHICH IS
APLENTY IN INDIA TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION.  I HOPE
THAT SOMEDAY ALL THE SRIVAISHNAVAS ABROAD WILL COME
AND SETTLE IN INDIA, ONCE THEIR TARGET FIGURE IS
REACHED.
I SINCERELY PRAY TO SWAMI DESIKAN, MY MENTOR AND
MASTER, FOR THE SAME.
DAASAN
E.S.MUKUNDAN
KINDLY PARDON ME IF I SOUND HARSH.
--- Sudarshan K Madabushi
<mksudarshan2002@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>
> --- In tiruvenkatam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Sudarshan K
> Madabushi"
> <mksudarshan2002@xxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Dear members,
>
> In the light of recent discussions (on T'venkatam
> list and others as
> well) about the land of India being a "karma-bhoomi"
> and the Western
> nations being "bhOgha-bhoomi", I thought an old
> posting of mine from
> the Tiruvenkatam archives may perhaps be of
> interest/relevance to
> some of you. I reproduce it below.
>
> Please feel free to discuss the topic again on the
> T'venkatam list
> if you feel the need for it.
>
> Regards,
>
> dAsan,
> Sudarshan
>
>                      ********************
>
>
> --- "Mukundan <krupa@xxxx>" <krupa@xxxx> wrote:
> > Dear srI. Sudarshan Swami,
> >
> > From Srimad-Bhagavatham, we know that Bharatham is
> the Only Karma
> > Bhoomi. Other regions have been defined as Bhoga
> Bhoomi et al, with
> > > some dEvathAs incharge. Can you kindly elaborate
> on this.
> > > Also, I would like to know how our SiddhAntham
> views the
> existence of living-beings in Other distant planets.
> >
> > dAsan
> > Mukundan
> > Singapore
>
>                         **************
>
> Dear Sri.Mukundan,
> It's a very interesting question you raise. There is
> no easy answer
> to it. I will try however to provide one to the best
> of my
> meagre knowledge.
>
> Please remember that the word "bhOga" means
> self-gratification,
> enjoyment or delighting. And the word "karma", as
> used in this
> context here, means "self-renunciation".
>
> The saying that "bhAratham" is "karma-bhUmi" and the
> rest of the
> world is "karma-bhUmi" is an age-old and very
> popular one, no doubt.
> But as far as I know it is not founded on any clear
> texts from the
> Veda.
>
> As you know, the majesty of Vedic appeal is
> universal in its sweep.
> The Vedas do not confine themselves to bias such as
> "bhAratham" or
> elsewhere. The Vedas give expression to universal
> principles and
> cosmic aspiration. They do not recognize any
> geographical boundaries,
> least of all that of India. The ageless 'sruti' know
> no barriers,
> neither natural nor man-made, and hence do not speak
> in such narrow
> terms. 
>
> The statement -- that "bhAratham" is "karma-bhUmi"
> and other nations
> are "bhOga-bhUmi" --- is, if you examine it very
> carefully, a very
> ambiguous one. It leaves us rather unsure whether it
> is meant to
> present the land of India in good or bad light. Is
> it meant to convey
> pride or patriotism for India? Or is it that by
> contrasting
> "karma-bhUmi" with "bhOga-bhUmi" it is trying to say
> something
> against other lands? We may ask, is there no "bhOga"
> at all in
> "bhAratham"? And conversely, is there no "karma" at
> all in nations
> other than "bhAratham"? All these questions and
> ambivalent feelings
> crop up in our minds when we examine the statement
> closely.
>
> References to "karma-bhUmi" in the 'purAnA-s' are
> very, very rare
> indeed. Apart from the famous reference in the
> 'Srimadh Bhagavatham'
> one can hardly find it repeated in any other
> 'purAnA' (except
> perhaps, one may argue, in the "bhavishya-purANa"
> where a reference
> in far less similar form is made to the lands in the
> River
> Tambraparani basin in T.Nadu). Nowhere else in the
> "purAnA-s" (to the
> best of adiyane's limited knowledge) can one come
> across any
> reference to lands other than 'bhAratham' being
> "bhOga-bhUmi". It is
> my opinion that the word "bhOga-bhumi" first came
> into use only as
> late as in the 1880-s CE when Swami Vivekananda used
> it to describe
> the land of America while he was touring that
> country giving his
> famous series of lectures.
>
> Let's turn to the actual reference to "karma-bhUmi"
> in 'Srimadh
> BhAgavatham':
>
>     etadeva hi deva gAyanti:
>
> ahO amIsham kimakAri shObanam
> prasanna esAm sviduta svayam harIh:
> yairjanma labdham nrshu bhAratAjIrE
> mukunda sevaupayikam sprhA hi nah: -
>
> kim dushkarair nah kratubhih tapOvrataih
> dAnAdibhirvA dyujayEna phalgunA;
> na yatrA nArAyaNa pAdapankaja
> smritih pramushtAti sayEndriyOtsavAt --
>
> kalpa yUshAm sthAna jayAt punarbhavAt
> kshanA yushAm bhAratabhUjayO varam;
> kshanEna martyEna krtam manasvinah:
> sannyasya samyAntya bhayam padam harE: -
>
>                          "srimadh bhAgavatham"
> (V.xix. 20-22):
>                    ********* ************
>
> The above verses have been translated as  follows:
>
> "The gods in Heaven sang of the glory of human birth
> in the
> land called "bhArata" (India):
>
> "Oh, What good deeds have these souls done
> That Hari, the indweller of all things,
> Has seen it fit to reward them 
> With birth in the continent of India --
> A birth that enables a life of loving service unto
> Him!
>
> Oh! What would we not do to earn such reward
> ourselves?
> After all, what have we the denizens of these
> heavens achieved
> Through years and years of austere 'tapa' fasting
> and charity?
> The joys of heaven are ours to feast, no doubt,
> But alas, the remembrance of Narayana still escapes
> us...
>
> Far better, we think, it is to live in India
> Even if for but a few moments,
> Than ages in these heavenly provinces --
> FOr there great souls, 
> Fearless, free and merry-- 
> Having renounced all unto the feet of God
> Live forever in Him!
>
>               *********************************
>
> If you notice in the verse as well as in the
> translation, nowhere is
> there mention of "bhAratha" as being "karma-bhUmi"
> -- that specific
> word is not used at all. What is said is that the
> "dEvA-s" are
> envious of earthlings who live in the land called
> "bhAratam". Now why
> are they envious? Because human beings in this land
> are able to
> perform undisturbed 'service to Narayana' -- mukunda
> sevaupayikam. In
> other words, the people of India live a happy life
> of
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