Dear Bhagavatas: Enough has been said on the subject. May we close further inputs on the subject in the Journal and move on? Thanks for your understanding. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy =============================================================== Well said Shri. Narayanan. The fault is on all sides; we should have just one side which follows the path of Bhagavath Ramanuja. Adiyen was also stopped like this for reciting slected pasuram from prabhandham; (it doesnt matter to which Kalai I belong) This was a not a ghosti, I was reciting by myself and that too in a low voice. I accepted it, because it happened in front of the Lord; I prayed to Lord Narayana and Lokamatha who are always listening to us for a better tomorrow. Tomorrow is always a ray of hope. Dasan Aravamudhan --- Narayanan Veeraraghavan <narayankv@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, > > Adiyen does not have any qualifications to write > about > anything but the incident that our respected Sri > Srinath had witnessed has been happenning for a very > long time. Adiyen has also witnessed and personally > experienced such humiliation in Thiruvallikkeni > while > I was just giving a humming sound of reciting > "Siriya > Thirumadal" during Thaayar purappadu on Friday. > > The dwesham as one of the learned member mentioned > is > not because of the philosophical differences but > purely because of the enimies in one's own self > namely > "Krodham", "madham", "maathsaryam". > > We are living in a so called Sri Vsishnava group > (sorry to mention it as "so called". But it is our > fate that we cannot call our ghoshti as Sri > Vaishnava > ghoshti as we dont respect another Sri Vaishnava). > We > are living in a group of people where merely due to > ones physical appearance people go to the extent of > changing the thiruman that was originally on > Perumal's > thirunetri (meaning literally carving out the lower > portion of thiruman). Being a person from vadakalai > sect., I heard many people saying this. This had > happened in Kancheepuram at adiyen's favourite > perumal's temple. Same way there are many such > incidents told to adiyen by vadakalai sect of people > too. We cannot find out who is true because everyone > is mentioning incidents that suits their side. Its > not > fair to talk who is right and who is wrong rather > forget all these and just pray emperumaan and > nothing > else can be done to save our sampradaayam. > > Earlier we worried that there was one Malik Kafur > who > troubled our Sri Vaishnava Sri which is > thriuvarangam > but now we have many Malik Kafurs within ourselves > that we should protect our sampradayam fromt hem so > that one more invasion doesn't happen. We should be > worried that there should be no other emperumaanaar > born again just to re-establish the already existing > Visishtaadvaitham and Sri Vaishnavism. If this > happpens then we wont be able to forgive ourselves > and > we cannot stand in front of perumal when we all see > him at Sri Vaikuntam. We wont be qualifed to be by > the > side of our emperumaanaar at Sri Vaikuntam to do > eternal service to lord. > > We need to always remember that we are now bold > enough > to commit all these apachaarams for the only reason > that nammperumaal has granted moksham to everyone > who > has emperumaanaar sambandham and we say "Adiyen > Ramanuja Dasan" and still commit apachaarams. But > what > if our emperumaanar gets worried that being born in > his lineage we are committing such apachaarams? Can > we > bear such a situation ? If we think of our beloved > emperumaanaar for just a moment and his > mahopakaaram, > I am sure all of our eyes will be in tears. If > emperumaanaar himself gets unsatisfied then how > canwe > expect emperumaan to grant us Sri Vaikuntam ? This > is > what we forget. Emperumaan says the only apachaaram > that will nullify parapatti is doing an apachaaram > to > any living being in this world and that too typicaly > if one takes the name of our sweet lord we cannot > even > think of ill treating that bhagavatha even in our > dreams. Now lets think ourselves that do we really > want our prapatti nullified ? The answer should be > within everyone's mind. > > > We need to have some of our poorvaachaaryas amongst > us > to answer these queries. As one of our learned > member > says even if those mahaanubhaavaas come directly > they > will be separated as a separate ghoshti and people > will ill treat them. This is why after emperumaanaar > , > swamy desikan and swamy maamunigal none incarnated > as > jagadhaachaaryaas (I mean as equal to them). Of > course > there can be only one jagadhaachaarya who is Swamy > emperumaanaar. Even swamy emperumaanaar at Sri > Preumboodhoor had to undergo lots of trouble in > establishing himself in his original form inside the > temple. > > We can only think of all these and pray emperumaan > and > nothing else. Even if a sect of few people try and > start reforming this the current group of so called > Sri Vaishnavas are so strong that they wont allow > this > to ever happen. Still there are so many good hearted > and learned scholars in both kalais who are fighting > for this reformity but we can only see that there is > no respect paid to these mahaanubhaavaas at all and > hence it has come to a state that some of them dont > even go to temple because of this controversy. > > Adiyen wonder how people get time or all these > trivial > matters back home or adiyen think probably that they > have made this as their vruthi (Job) to run their > daily life. But let us not be very severe on these > sri > vaishnavas that they will get punished by > emperumaan. > We if we think we can be a true Sri Vaishnava we can > pray to emperumaan that "Adiyomodum ninnodum > pirivindri aayiram pallanndu". Lets include them. > They > are not to be ignored but corrected (by emperumaan > himself) so that they also enjoy the anubhavams of > our > great poorvaachaaryaas on ermperumaan. > > Adiyen just thought of putting adiyen's views. I > know > adiyen is going to get my inbox piled with so many > emails in the next few minutes or hours against many > of adiyen's lines as this is the trend happenning in > most of the E-Groups. > > (unfortunately Sri Vaishnava unity is also not there > in such egroups too. I am being very frank in > telling > this because I have been a member of so many groups > but adiyen has seen so many arguments and unwanted > discussion about many trivial matters and also > regadrig the same issue oif vadakalai and thenkalai. > stopped reading all those unless if they talk about > bhagavath vishayam or bhagavatha vishayam. ) > > > Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/VkWolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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