Om namo narayanaya. It is very surprising. We as vaishnavaites, believe the omnipresence of Srimannaaraayana. When souls have Him as antaryami, why are we developing such a strong reservation towards Shiva? Many of our close relatives are following the so called Babas and have live portraits of these Babas with very grand garlands in their pooja rooms. When the whole world is going towards one village and we are facing a threat to hinduism let us promote a liberal view of agama and a liberal mosaic of hinduism. Let us see the current topic. I completely disagree with the argument that Agamas have complicated the issue. Agamas are not to complicate but only to have a system where people can be provided a better way of worship. We are not understanding ( in fact not trying to understand) the Agamas. Agamas are not against having murthis of shiva and related devatas in the temple of Vishnu. In Saptapraakaara system, we can see other dieties also. MARICHI?S VIMANARCHANA KALPA Here are the parishaddevatas( non vaishnavaite) in a vishnu temple in seven prakaaras. Dvitiyaavarana: shiva Triitiyaavarana: Ishana, Gangadhara Chaturthavaranam: Shiva, Bhutanayaka, subrahmanya Panchamavarana: Sapta maatrukas, sapta rohinis, Sata Rudras, Ekadasa Rudras, Saptamavaranam: Rudra and Rudranuja VAASTU VIDYA MAHODADHI Garuda, Vishvaksena, Akrura, Bali, Naarada, Kshetrapaala, Shiva, Brahma, Mukunda, Gadaadhara, Prahlaada, Aanjaneya, Shounaka, Vibhishana, Shuka, Arjuna, Paraasara, Seshaa are vishnu parivara. You can even look into MAYAMATA We are not to develop a liberal view of agama or hinduism but the hinduism itself is the most liberal religion. Let us not compartmentalise a system which is a very liberal concept and because of the liberalism, hinduism has still remained as the oldest living religion. Let us not do any harm to hinduism and instead bring all people in one stream --- Vasan Sriranga Chari <vasan_chari_hk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > SRIMATE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA > According to agama shastras ,you can have shrines of > parivara devatas of the main deity.Shiva cannot be > parivara devata of > Vishnu.Garuda,Vishvaksena,Dhanvantri,Chakratalvar,Hanuman > are the parivara of Vishnu.Similarly other deities > have their own parivara devatas.Hence it is totally > against the agama shatras to have multiplex form of > temples.It is a sorry state.This is done please > everybody at the cost of agama praamaniam. > dasan > > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 Sudarshan K Madabushi wrote : > > > > > > > >--- In SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "rvv21" > <ranjanvv@xxxx> wrote: > > >> I think it's unlikely you'll find a > "Vishnu-only" temple in > >the > UK (apart from ISKCON temples) - but I could > be wrong. > >However, the > sizeable Sri Lankan Tamil community > in many parts of > >London have > retained their Shaiva temple culture > to a relatively > >high degree and > have constructed many > 'south-indian' style temples, > >if you were > interested in seeing them for > interest. Many have a > >sannidhi for > Lakshmi/Naaraayana as well. > > > > **************** > >Dear members, > > > >This is a very interesting thread of discussion and > I like your > >exchanges. > > > >One of the odd things I have noticed about Hindu > temples abroad is > >this: they are designed to accommodate and built to > serve the > >sentiments of all denominations of Hindu religous > society. Such > >design and architecture is no doubt > well-intentioned but the results > >are sometimes a mixed bag. > > > >I toured parts of USA East Coast last year. My host > was kind enough > >to take me to a very beautiful temple in Maryland. > It was called > >Shiva-Vishnu temple but inside I was surprised to > see many more > >special "sannidhi-s" (shrines or sanctums) for a > number of other > >deities in the Hindu pantheon -- Ganesha, Murugua, > AmbAL, AyyappA, > >Venkateshwara, Krishna... I saw devotees come in > throngs and each > >proceeded straight to that shrine he or she wanted > to particularly > >worship. Thereafter he or she spent a few moments > at other shrines > >before exiting. I couldn't help thinking it all > vaguely resembled the > >modern and convenient "multi-cuisine cafeteria" > concept applied to > >temple architecture i.e. you come shuffling in a > long queue with a > >plate in hand, go slowly around the table and help > yourself > >generously to the dish you particularly like, and > just a little bit > >of everthing else in the spread. > > > >Don't get me wrong. It's not that I want to be > critical of "Shiva- > >Vishnu" temples, I hasten to add. Who knows, > perhaps the "Agama > >sAstras" themselves do, in fact, permit such > "cafeteria" design of > >temples. But I must say this: I cannot help > sometimes wondering if > >the presence of more than one Deity within a > temple-precinct does not > >go against the essentially monotheistic grain of > Hindu religious > >thought and practice. My own personal experience is > that when I am in > >the presence of the main Deity inside a temple I'd > rather fully > >concentrate on worshipping that one Divine Entity > alone. But instead, > >I often find that, at the back of my mind > somewhere, I'm being > >distracted by the anxious thought of having to rush > for "darshan" to > >the "next crowded counter" -- viz. other satellite > shrines > >or "sannidhi-s". The result is that a temple visit, > far from > >affording one an opportunity for experiencing a > certain sense of > >abiding One-ness with God, leaves the devotee with > a strange feeling, > >instead, he's just concluded a long and hectic > series of business > >appointments. > > > >Let me confess to one more thing. I always come > away from a temple > >feeling a little guilty and disappointed if, after > I've had "darshan" > >of the main Deity first, for some reason or other, > I've been unable > >to offer worship at subsidiary "sannidhi-s". I've > never relished such > >a feeling. It has always robbed the first > experience a little of its > >joy. > > > >An exclusively Vishnu temple (with His other divine > forms serving > >perhaps as smaller satellite "sannidhi-s") seems to > me OK. An > >exclusive Shiva temple too seems OK. An exclusive > Devi or AmbAl > >temple is OK too. But a "Shiva-Vishnu temple", and > many of similarly > >newly-built, multi-themed, composite "designer > temples" (in India and > >abroad we come across these days) -- they all seem > to me to be > >somehow straying far from the central monotheism of > that very Faith > >they are actually meant to reflect and enshrine. > > > >What do members think? I'd like to hear your > learned comments. > > > >respectfully, > >dAsan, > >Sudarshan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ===== --------------------------------- Deekshith Parasaram PhD Hindu Temple and Cultural Center. 3818, 212 st SE Bothell wa ph. 425-482-9426 ---------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/hjtSRD/3MnJAA/i1hLAA/VkWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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