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Dear Sir,
Thanks very much for your explanation.

Sri Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum
Sampige Srinivasa Iyengar


>From: tatachar@xxxxxxx
>To: sampiges@xxxxxxxxxxx, Srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,        
>parakalamatham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Guna Karma vibhAgaShaha...???
>Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:08:46 -0500
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>Sir,
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> > Is Krishna telling that
>Varna or Caste is not by birth but by Guna/Karma(Character/Work)?<
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>"Guna"  here is one's natural/inherent inclinations (traits or nature);
>in modern terms referred to as "aptitude".
>It is a fundamental  biological truth, rightly recognized (only) by 
>Sanatana Dharma and
>wrongly interpreted down the road (by both learned and the common folks).
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>  "Karma" here is work (that is intended to be in conformity with Guna to 
>bring out the best:
>As per GitA- svE svE karmaNyabhiratah sam siddhim labatE narah).
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>Karma is influenced by the surroundings and upbringing (nurture).
>This is what happened to a large extent in the Hindu society.
>Irrespective of the inherent varNa of a child, Karma of a presumed varNa
>(presumed based on one's ancestors, which was also presumptious)
>  was imposed on the child. Not only that, while
>God/Nature created 4 varNAs, we created the avarNeeya (Panchamaas!).
>This itself shows taht majority of us did not understand varNa.
>How can anyone be born and be branded as not belong to any varNa?
>I can imagine belonging to many varNas (mulrtiple traits)- however
>no trait?
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>Everyone of us is in short a combination of Natur and Nurture.
>For example an artist obviously is influenced by the surroundings.
>A person with scholarly traits in Karnataka will most probably
>communicate his scholarship in Kannada, Sanskrit, Tamil , English, or 
>Telugu.
>Rarely woul dthat person write in Swaheli or Bengali.
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>Actually, Varna is determined by birth (nature)and influenced by
>surroundings or upbringing (nurture).
>However, MOST IMPORTANT TO NOTE is that it is not completely
>determined by who one is born to. Thus, if someone has
>4 children, they may as well belong to 4 different varNAs.
>However, often they all can be groomed more or less to
>one varNa (as has happened in our society).
>
>dAsan
>
>K.S. tAtAchAr
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sampige Srinivasa <sampiges@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; parakalamatham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:34:55 +0000
>Subject: [SriRangaSri] Guna Karma vibhAgaShaha...???
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>Pranamams to all,
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>I think this question may have been asked by many earlier. Please pardon me
>if this is a repeated one.
>
>In Bhagavad Geetha, Sri Krishna says "Chaturvarnyam Maya Shrushtyam Guna
>Karma VibhAgashaha"
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>Can anyone please give the meaning of this Shloka. Is Krishna telling that
>Varna or Caste is not by birth but by Guna/Karma(Character/Work)? What is
>Shri. Ramanuja's Bhashya on this. It would be great if any one gives the
>link to Sri. Ramanuja's Geetha Bhashyam translated to English.
>
>Shri Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum
>Sampige Srinivasa Iyengar
>Bengaluru
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