Dear Sriman Sadagopan, Sreemathe Ramanujaya Namaha: I have been following the informative and excellent exchanges on this subject. Permit me to participate in the debate. In Sundara kandam there is one sentence uttered by Sita Piratti to Hanuman in the Asoka Vanam. She says, ?Mamaiva Dushkrutam Kinchin Mahadasti Na Samsayaha?: It is said that Here Sita Piratti is in the role of a Jeevathma and Siriya Tiruvadigal, Hanuman assumes the role of an Acharya. Seeta Piratti says that She should have committed a small (Kinchit) or a big (mahat) Aparadham (Dushkrutam) definitely some time. Otherwise why would Lord Rama forsake Her for such a long time without coming to Her rescue, immediately? He could easily rescue Her if He wanted to. For Her sake He even released the Brahmasthram on a crow, an insignificant being. He could make the entire Srushti vanish and recreate it in a Truti (may be even smaller than a nano second). How could he condone the gross misbehaviour of Ravana? Acharyas comment that a Jeevathma commits many mistakes some of which are unforgivable. Even the Lord who is Mercy Personified acts cruelly when he finds that the Jeevathma has committed such a gross mistake. This will be mitigated with the active interception of the Divine Mother and the Acharya on behalf of the Jeevathma after the Jeevathma repents for its follies. Apparently at some time Seeta Piratti made fun of Lord Rama when He wanted to leave for the forest alone without Seeta Piratti. She alludes that Lord Rama might be a napunsaka if He were to leave Her behind. This is Bhagavat Apacharam. But this is only a Pranaya Kalaham between the Divine Mother and the Lord. This is even forgivable. But when the unblemished Lakshmana who had sacrificed so much in order to accompany the Lord and His consort to serve them, refuses to leave Her alone when She ordered Him to go to the rescue of his brother when they hear Maricha?s impersonated voice of Lord Rama calling their names in distress when He released and buried a fatal arrow into the Rakshasa in the form of golden deer, Sita Piratti hurls some very cruel and uncalled for insulting words at Lakshmana. According to Poorva Acharyas this is tantamount to Bhaagavata Apacharam, which the Paramaathama will never condone. He will never forgive any Apacharam committed against His Bhaktas or Bhaagavathaas. This is the reason He (the Paramaathma as Lord Rama) allows Sita Piratti (the Jeevathma) to suffer untold miseries in Lanka ( Jeevathma suffers miseries in the Mruthyu Lokas) and then again hurls the unutterable insults at the Divine Mother Sita Piratti in everyone?s presence and asks Her to undergo the ?ordeal by fire? to show His anger against the insults She heaped on Ramanuja or Lakshmana, the quintessential Devotee of the Lord. This sentence ? Mamaiva Dushkrutam Kinchin Mahad Asthi Na Samsayaha? is spoken to Hanuman earlier in the Asoka Vanam, when He meets and tries to console the Divine Mother. It is spoken to Hanuman who is in the role of an Acharya according to Ramayana Rahasya arthas or commentaries by our Poorva Aharyas. I got this from an excellent book written By Ubhaya Vedantha Acharya Sriman Sreebhashyam Appalaacharya Swamin who was a Sanskrit Professor in the Andhra University at Vizag. He was an Illustrious Acharya of Ubhaya Vedanta and it was a treat for the ears, mind and soul to hear him speak of Ramayana Rahasyas and Divya Prabandham. It is said that Sundara Kandam is a treasure house for Manthra Shastram. In the Sundara Kandam story, Sita Piratti enacts the role of the Jeevathman and Anjaneya Prabhu is cast in the role of an Acharya. Remember what Lord says of Anjaneya to Laksmana Prabhu at the beginning of the Kishkinda Kandam when they first meet each other. It is indicated by the Lord that Anjaneya has all the auspicious attributes that qualifies one to be an Acharya. The Lord Himself chooses the Suitable Acharya for us from time to time. The role of an Acharya is highlighted in this episode also. Acharya is one who is near to and is a confidant of the Lord, sent by Him to test the Jeevathma and bridge the gap between Jeevathma and the Paramaathman. But otherwise Seetha Piratti (She is none other than Sri Maha Lakshmi our Divine Mother) is also a representative and an Anusandhana Karta of the Jeevathma with Paramaathma. She is the one who does the Purusha Karam or recommendation and pleads on our behalf to get our sins pardoned. ?Isaanaam Jagato Asya Venkata Pathe: Vishno: Paraam Preyaseem, Tad Vaksha Sthala Nitya Vaasara Sikhaam Tat Kshaanti Samvardhaneem?. Such a Divine Mother herself had to undergo the ordeal to teach the Jeevathmas their constitutional position Vis a Vis the Paramaathma, our Lord. Ramayana story or for that matter any of the epics and Puranas like Maha Bhaaratham and Bhagavatham have tremendous esoteric meanings apart from the Divine story and it is said they teach us the Vedic knowledge itself in an easier way. So we have to study under authoritative Acharyas and understand the inner and deeper meaning in these inexhaustible storehouses of eternal Knowledge. There is no place for emotion in understanding Shastras. But being emotionally attached to the Divine Couple is a natural phenomenon with Bhakta Janas. I crave the Pardon of the Bhakta Janas if I have committed some mistakes in the above commentary. The misunderstanding if any is entirely due to my ignorance or Agnyanam. Sarva Aparadhan Kshamasva. ?Pranipata Prasannahi Janakaatmaja?. I humbly beg the Divine Mother Seeta Piratti to pardon any offence. Jai Srimannarayana: Adiyen, Ramanuja Dasan. >From: sadagopaniyengar <sadagopaniyengar@xxxxxxxx> >To: SriRangaSri <SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Subject: [SriRangaSri] The issue of Sita Piraatti's agni pravesam >Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:05:37 +0530 > >dear shri lakshminrsimhan, >if your mail is apropos my posting "Ordeal by Fire-1", i would request you >to read its sequel too. >thanks and regards, dasan, sadagopan > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > _________________________________________________________________ Marriage? http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Join BharatMatrimony.com for free. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/VkWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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