Dear Swamin
Thank you very much for enlightening reply. It is indeed a wonderful guidelines for prapannan.
5) The only heinous and unpardonable sins which will nullify the
effects of Prapatti are: (a) Disrespect to Bhagavatas and Acharyas
and (b) Adherence to deities other than Bhagavaan.
However, I like to seek clarification on point # 5, especially point (b). I have seen many people visiting Shiva / Parvati Temples and Nava graha Sthalams for performing shanti (as per their jaathaka doshas) even after prapatti, although it is amply clear by your argument that after Baara Samarpanam, Bhagwaan takes care of their well being. Here I would like to point out the following
1. All Demi Gods or upa devatas are extension of Bhagawaan himself and certainly they are on higher plane than jeevatma. For instance, In Mahabharata, Krishna instructs Arjuna to meditate on Lord Siva for acquiring Paasupathastra. Also, in Bhagavat Gita, Bhagwan states that all the wealth and pleasure obtained from worshipping of Demi Gods is also given by his sankalpam only
2. In this world, until his exit from material body, jeevatma is influenced by Navagraha devatas, good or bad, depending on the purva karma. Under these circumstances, even learned bhagawatas / sri vaishanavas perform poojas & visit their kshetrams. I am sure this is due to prevalance of Rajo and Tamo guna over Satva guna.
My question to you as follows :
1. What is the status of prapanna, if he visits navagraha kshetrams / saiva kshetrams and performs pooja. In his mind he is very clear about supremacy of Lord Sriman Narayana. He sees Narayana everywhere, "Sarva Vyaapi Sarva Boothantharatma" . Will the Lord be so unmerciful to prapanna who is worshipping his extension (upa devatas). If according to the scriptures, if this sin is unpardonable and effect of prappati is diluted, what should prapanna do to get back on the track. (my sincere obeisance to all bhagavatas / Aachaaryas and also to all the people involved in Krishna Bhakti)
Please pardon me. My only intention of posting this question is to help a prapannan to come back on track and enjoy the bliss of Divya Dampathis in this life and a life thereafter in Sri Vaikunta
Regards
Dasan
Venugopal
----- Original Message -----
From: srivaishnavan
To: SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:20:40 +0000
Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Doubt__._,_.___SrI:
Dear Sri Venugopal
Sri Anbil Ramaswamy Swami had written a summary level write up on
Swamy Desikan's Sri Rahasyathraya saaram... wherein Chapter 15
(Uttra krithya adhikaram) talks about the post -saranagati or Post
prapatti period... .
That answers your query:
(The manner in which one should conduct oneself after Prapatti)
This Chapter lays down the duties to be performed by a Prapanna from
the time of his doing Prapatti till attaining Moksha on death.
(a) A Prapanna should not slacken his attentions to and performance
of his Nitya Karmas.
(b) He should continue to widen his knowledge by associating with
Acharyas and others qualified.
(c) Even if he has achieved a mental evolution befitting him to a
direct communion with God., he should not feel proud about it since
he should be ever aware of his own insignificance
(d) He should keep his sense organs under perfect control
(e) He should continue to do service to the archa form of the Lord
as also Nishkamya Karmas.
(f) He should consciously avoid all desire for worldly pleasures and
carry on his daily routine with wealth earned through Dharmic means.
(g) He should always feel grateful to the grace of the preceptor who
initiated him into Prapatti
(h) He should always utter the Dvaya mantra as advised by his Guru
(i) He should never boast about his own greatness (j) He should
scrupulously avoid insulting or disrespecting the Bhagavatas and
Acharyas.
(j) He should always be eager to perform service to Bhagavan, the
Bhagavatas and Acharyas.
(k) He should eat only pious foods conducive to augmenting Satva
guna.
What a Prapanna should do and what he should not may be summarized
as follows:
(i) Not to indulge in Worldly pleasures and desire therefor
(ii) To remember The great help rendered by Acharyas
(iii) Not to utter Words of Self-praise
(iv) To utter Dvaya Mantra
(v) To avoid in mind Disrespect to Bhaghavatas and word and deed
Acharyas
(v) To perform in mind Service to Bhaghavan, Bhaghavatas word and
deed and Acharyas..
And Chapter 18 mainly talks about the "Atonement of offences or
sins"...
Atonement for offences)
After Prapatti, a Prapanna will not indulge in committing any sins
(1) Should he commit any without intention, such sins will not
accrue to him;
(2) Sins knowingly and deliberately committed can be neutralized by
atonement -prayaschitta prapatti (not for the purpose of Moksha)
(3) Should one indulge in sins deliberately and does not atone,
minor punishments will be imposed on him like becoming blind, lame
etc., or disobedience by wife, children etc. In such an event also
the Prapanna would not be denied Moksha because his papas will be
negatived by atonement or suffering punishment as aforesaid.
(4) Even major sins except what is stated in (5) below will be
excused by the Lord by inflicting a light punishment in exercise of
his patience, love and compassion towards the Prapanna.
(5) The only heinous and unpardonable sins which will nullify the
effects of Prapatti are: (a) Disrespect to Bhagavatas and Acharyas
and (b) Adherence to deities other than Bhagavaan.
(6) Though the means and Phala of Moksha are identical as between a
Prapanna and the great Nityas and Muktas like PARASARA,VYASA,SRI
NATHAMUNI and others, the Prapanna should not arrogate himself by
equating himself with these extraordinary luminaries since they are
far superior on account of their birth, character, knowledge,
discipline etc which are not comparable to those of the Prapanna.
(7) THE PRAPANNA SHOULD NOT DISCRIMINATE ANY ONE AS INFERIOR ON
ACCOUNT OF THE LATTER'S CASTE, CREED, SEX OR OTHER DIFFERENCES
(8) The Apacharas committed towards Bhagavatas can also be expiated
but Only by seeking the forgiveness of the same Bhagavatas
(9) A SUBTLE POINT TO NOTE IN THIS CONNECTION IS THAT IF A PRAPANNA
PRAYS AT THE TIME OF DOING PRAPATTI FORGIVENESS OF SINS HE MIGHT
COMMIT KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY IN THE POST-PRAPATTI PERIOD, THE
LORD WOULD TAKE CARE TO GUARD HIM AGAINST HIS COMMITTING SUCH SINS
ALSO.
(10) The Post-Prapatti sins get exculpated thus:- 1/4th by not
repeating such sins; 1/4th by feeling repentant; ¼ th by efforts to
perform atonement (Prayaschitta) and the balance 1/4th by actually
performing the Prayaschitta. Thus, for the Prapanna, there is no
consignment to hell or the danger of rebirth under any circumstances
*******
[One should study this magnum opus of Swamy Desikan at the lotus
feet of acharyan]
Trust this helps
Regards
Namo Narayana
dAsanu dAsan
--- In SriRangaSri@yahoogroups. com, "RAJA GOPALAN VANU GO
(saranyan)" <saranyan@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Swamin,
>
> I have gone through the email of Mr. Murali and your reply on the
subject and wish to be enlightened on the following.
>
> What is the status of Jeevatma which performed Prappati and
commits a sin advertently or inadvertently. Will
Bhagwaan punish the jeevatma before taking him into his abode or
turns him away to countless cycle of births/ deaths.
>
> Also, as is known that paramatma or bhagwan is not affected by
three modes / gunas of material nature i.e. Satvam, Rajas and
Tamas, whereas jeevatma is always under the influence of these 3
modes (in varying degree). Under these circumstances, jeevatma
is bound to commit various sins, knowingly or unknowingly.
>
> What does bhagwaan do to enlighten the prapannan, alleviate the
sufferings and show him the way.
>
> Also, if prapannan realises his mistake what ritual he
should perform to cleanse himself.
>
> Pardon me If said anything wrong and clarify the doubt.
>
>
> Regards![]()
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