--- In SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, vedanta desikan <kavitaarkikasimhan@xxxx> wrote: > dear Amuthan sir, > i wish to answer ur questions. > the present day ashtangayoga is not decended from nathamuni as it is clear from guruparampara that Alavandar failed to collect it from Manakkal nambi. so better to avoid the yogam of nawadays After Sriman Nathamuni only Thiru Kurugai Kavalappan had the knowledge of Ashtangayoga required for the performance of Bhakti Yoga. The last person known to have performed this yoga in this yuga is this saint. The story of Sri Alavandhar meeting Sri Kavalappan is a fascinating one. Sri Manakkal Nambi sent Sri Alavandhar to Kavalappan to study the yoga. When he arrived, Kavalappan was in deep meditation with Bhagavat Sakshatkaram (direct vision). Suddenly he (Sri Kavalappan) woke up and asked whether there was any descendent of "sottai kulam" present in the vicinity. Alavandhar being one answered, "adiyEn". And, he enquired how Sri Kavalappan guessed his presence. For this Sri Kavalappan explained that during his meditations Sriman Narayana's attention is never distracted by anything. But on this occasion Sriman Narayana was not paying attention to Kavalappan. In stead, Sriman Narayana was moving about and trying to take a peak behind Kavalappan. This could happen only if a descendent of Sriman Nathamunigal was present behind him. After this brief encounter Sri Kavalappan sent Sri Alavandhar away with a promise to teach the yoga at an appropriate time. Fortunately or unfortunately this did not come to pass. We now have only one sure way for mOksham in practice, namely, prapatti. > > jeevas svatantryam is always contolled by the karma Jeevan's actions are controlled by five factors. Among them are poorva karma, Bhagavat sankalpam, and jIvan's own sankalpam. > according to visishtaadvaita no nirguna bhramman is accepted nad we dont accept advitins experience as a real one Even advaitin's would not accept their own experience as ultimately real!!! There is a funny story about this. A group of Advaitins with their Acarya were passing through a jungle. Suddenly a big elephant appeared full of rage. Everyone including the teacher ran in all directions trying to save themselves. After the danger had passed they regrouped. Then, one precocious pupil asked the teacher, "It is understandable that we ran as we have not mastered advaitam, but you the teacher surely knew the elephant was not real. Why did you also run from the elephant?" For this the teacher calmly answered, "Well, the elephant was unreal and me running for my life was also unreal!" -- Dileepan
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