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Dear Sir,

adiYen bows down to your superior wisdom, especially
with regard to Patanjali's Yoga Sootraas.

adiYen has read all of your articles to date (and have
them ALL on file on the local desktop) and gleaned a
lot of wisdom from them. adiYen is IMMENSELY grateful
to you for the same.

After reading this article, these are the thoughts
that occur to adiYen:

1. You seem to concur with adiYen's views that for
most of us (perhaps excluding people such as
yourself), the Path of Faith is probably the easiest
to follow, since the Path of Self Inquiry is for those
serious-minded few that lead a "non-casual, thougtful"
life

2. The last two paragraphs, though, seem entirely out
of character, given the spiritual stature of the
person writing the same:

>As regards your primary query :why should you not
> steal, do bad things etc.
> is it a enquiry or are you seeking permission from
> these fora? 

The intended purpose of such a question (which really
needs no answer in such an erudite forum as this) was
to point out the fact that the Law of Karma acts as a
deterrent to deviant behavior in society, and is one
of the fundamental principles of the Sanaathana Dharma

>All one can
> say in keeping with the sacred Sayings of the great
> Patanjali Sutras
> "follow the Guru" (your acharaya).
> 
> If HE asks you to steal, please go ahead.
>

adiYen has heard the learned say that one should not
commit bad acts even if one's Aacharyaa says it: the
SikshavaLLi (first Prashnam of the Thaithireeya
Upanishad) says at first:

"Maathru Devo Bhava; Pithru Devo Bhava; Aacharya
Devo Bhava; Athithi Devo Bhava; Yaanyanavadhyaani
karmaNi; thaani sEvithavyaani; no itharaNi" but soon
thereafter follows it with the caution: "yaan
yasmaakagum SUCHARITHAANI;thaani tvayopaasyaani; no
itharaNi"

adiYen does not believe that stealing comes under the
category of behavior that can be called
"SUCHARITHAANI"

> Lastly, one humble request. Pardon this writer, if
> he has misunderstood.
> But one hopes you are doing the Nitya Karma without
> let? If yes you are at
> least eligible to harbour such doubts/questions as
> above, if not your
> questions/doubts are mere intellectual churnings of
> a mind filled with
> limited knowledge. No hurt or insult intended
> honestly

This question is kind of personal in nature and is not
fit to be addressed or even asked of anyone, in a
public forum such as this. By the way, is this
question/comment "compliant with the strict standards
of Yama, Niyama and so on" ?

3. One needs to read between the lines, and develop a
sense and understanding of what the author is REALLY
trying to convey, when reading any article.

4. Lastly, while adiYen is painfully aware of how
small adiYen is in comparison to the giants in
spirituality of this forum (such as yourself), adiYen
has one more article to publish (just one more - if
the editors of this journal are willing to publish it
- adiYen promises that there will be no more articles
from "a mind filled with limited knowledge"), that
adiYen would like to share with you all (it will be
titled "Vaishnavism and Occultism").
--------------------------------------

AN AMERICAN INDIAN Prayer:

O' GREAT SPIRIT,
Whose voice I hear in the winds,
And whose breath gives life to all the world,
Hear me! I am small and weak.
I need your strength and wisdom.
Let Me Walk In Beauty,and make my eyes
ever behold the red and purple sunset.
Make My Hands respect the things you have made
and my ears sharp to hear your voice.
Make Me Wise so that I may understand the things
you have taught my people.
Let Me Learn the lessons you have hidden in
every leaf and rock.
I Seek Strength, not to be greater than my brother,
but to fight the greatest enemy -- my self.
Make Me Always Ready to come to you with clean hands
and straight eyes.
So When Life Fades, as the fading sunset,
my spirit may come to you without shame.
-------------------------------------
adiYen,

Ashok K.

--- s.ramachandran@xxxx wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> One would strongly recommend, if at all you are
> absolutely serious about
> this whole business,
> you should do some preliminary reading of the Yoga
> Sutras of Patanjali.
> 
> The Great author could have an answer to some if not
> all of your
> doubts/queries. To give a glimpse: Most of us -
> 99.99% of mortals lead a
> casual, thougtless living and we call this life etc.
> 
> There are few exceptions - the balance 0.01% - who
> apart from Bhakti,
> intense interest and devoution and more importantly,
> sustained long term
> practice of some of the Yogic principles come to
> stage where they are
> poised for self-enquiry.
> 
> Critical to the part of the sustained long term
> practice is :Pranayama
> which is a bridge between the outer and inner or
> (Antaranga) Yoga. The
> deeper areas of Yoga are Pratyahara, Dharana,
> Dhyana.
> 
> As one becomes proficient in Pranayama, one slowly
> starts discriminating
> i.e. called Viveka Khyati.
> 
> Please do not ask discriminate what/when/who? but it
> is simply discriminate
> what is and what is not. In most of these cases, at
> this stage most of the
> issues/questions/doubts you have raised will get
> perhaps resolved in such a
> manner that the question/doubt itself might seem
> irrelevant.
> 
> The extraordinary Patanjli has very very
> scientifically and logically laid
> down the entire picture devoid of subjective
> references. Nothing
> mysterious.
> 
> If you are more serious, maybe you should go through
> Iswarakrishna's Sankya
> Karika which is the Sankhya philosophy which forms
> the basis for the Yoga
> Sutras.
> 
> The key to getting appropriate answers to your
> questions/doubts is :
> Action. Your daily life has to be critically
> reviewed by you constantly.
> You have to be vigilant always. Each smallest act,
> talk, thought has to be
> evaluated to ensure that they are compliant with the
> strict standards of
> Yama, Niyama and so on.
> 
> Does this mean the writer is confirming that all
> answers can be found in
> the books/texts/works of Patanjli and Samkya Karika?
> No. The preliminary
> reading will perhaps serve as a guidepost. You have
> to put things in
> practice without expecting any results and wait and
> watch
> 
> The only other alternative you have is the path of
> faith, which also
> incidentally is covered grandly by the Yoga Sutras.
> The topic of karma, re-birth etc. are all dealt and
> tied up logically in
> the Sutras.
> 
> As regards your primary query :why should you not
> steal, do bad things etc.
> is it a enquiry or are you seeking permission from
> these fora? All one can
> say in keeping with the sacred Sayings of the great
> Patanjali Sutras
> "follow the Guru" (your acharaya).
> 
> If HE asks you to steal, please go ahead.
> 
> Lastly, one humble request. Pardon this writer, if
> he has misunderstood.
> But one hopes you are doing the Nitya Karma without
> let? If yes you are at
> least eligible to harbour such doubts/questions as
> above, if not your
> questions/doubts are mere intellectual churnings of
> a mind filled with
> limited knowledge. No hurt or insult intended
> honestly
> 
> Om tat Sat
> Tat tvam asi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ashok 
> 
> 
> Krishnamurthy To: 
> Srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, 
> 
> <akrishna_24@yah 
> Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> 
> oo.com> cc: 
> 
> 
> 
> Subject: [SriRangaSri] An Inquiry into some
> fundamental 
> 05/11/03 11:01 
> truths of Sanaathana Dharma 
> 
> AM 
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> 
> adiYen would like to share some thoughts with all
> regarding two fundamental pillars of our religion
> [our
> religion has been dubbed as "Hinduism" but truly
> should be called Sanaathana Dharma (Eternal
> religion)].
> 
> adiYen would like to pose to adiYen a question:
> 
> Question:
> --------
> Why should adiYen do good, be good (exhibit
> kindness,
> charity, etc.) and not commit sin (like not killing
> others, stealing, etc.)?
> 
> Answer:
> ------
> Our Aachaaryaas repeatedly stress the following two
> tenets of Sanaathana Dharma:
> 
> 1. Law of Karma - "what goes around comes around"
> 2. Rebirth - "life after death of the body,
> and
> reincarnation of the Jeevaathma or soul"
> 
> Either: (i) adiYen should believe in the above two
> pillars of Sanaathana Dharma implicitly, without any
> reservations or doubts whatsoever - because adiYen's
> Aachaaryaas have said so (a course of action that
> adiYen finds to be the easiest of all) - this may be
> called the Path of Faith
> 
> OR
> 
> (ii) adiYen should find out if the above two are
> true
> by adiYen's own efforts and analysis - this may be
> called the Path of Self Inquiry
> 
> There cannot be a third alternative - either adiYen
> believes without question, or adiYen is prepared to
> undertake efforts to verify the veracity of the two
> cornerstones of Sanaathana Dharma.
> 
> Path of Faith:
> =============
> adiYen lives by faith day in and day out:
> (i) when adiYen goes to sleep at night, the faith
> is
> that adiYen will wake up the next morning
> (ii) when adiYen takes to the road, the faith is
> that
> adiYen will not be targeted by any other motorist
> and
> killed
> (iii) when adiYen travels in a taxi, ship, train, or
> 
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