Thanks for tatachar to have brought this up. It is a very good analogy.
Regards,
Krishna
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Perhaps a good analogy about the eternity of Vedas is gravity.
Newton comes to mind when one talks about gravity.
However, gravity itself did not begin with Newton nor did it end with
him!
dAsan
K.S. tAtAchAr
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Age of Vedas question:
One of our gurus have answered this question in his tattvamukta kalapa.
All Vedas are anadi and nitya. Ie. never written by anyone.
Then why people say Upanishads such as atharva shikha and
svetasvetara were later Upanishads?
The issue is, even though all Vedas are eternal, some portions might
have gone out of usage or the practice of acharya sishya teaching
paramparai due to the will of God. Hence some truths or mantras came to
usage only later. For example the rig veda is told to be the earliest.
The yajna prakriyas came later and hence the yajur etc came later. Long
time back people were shuddatmas. They could communicate with God due
to their sattvika gunas. When people could not do that any more during
a later period, yajna prakriyas came into existence so that people
could communicate with devas / God. Then during that time by the will
of god the portion of the eternal Vedas which belonged to the yajna
prakriyas such as yajur mantras etc. came. Later came the aranyakas and
upanishadic era. This is called avirbhava tirodhana. Or coming into
usage and going out of usage over a long period of time. One thing we
cannot do is look at a problem only historically. We have to consider
the power of the all powerful who can bring something in usage and hide
it from usage.
Veda is apaurusheya or un written by human beings or God. this is the
traditional view. One has to read tattva mukta kalapa in great detail.
this issue is explained in the section on buddhi sara in tattva mukta
kalapa by Vedanta Desika.
Hope this helps.
Asmad gurubhyo namah
Sarvam sri krishnarpanamastu
Krishna Kashyap
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Sooktam
Sri:
Srimate Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
(adiyen is resending this message that I had posted a few days back.
Not sure why it did not go through.)
I. On the Purusha Suktam of the sAma vEdam
The purusha suktam of the Sama Vedam, as sung traditionally, is a
compilation of the following sAman-s in this order:
1. vishnu sAman, found in the Eka-sAmi aindra-parvam. This sAman
based on the rk (yOni mantram) "idam vishnur-vichakramE..". d in some
sampradayams.
2. vishnOr-vratam of the Vrata-parva, and based on the rk "prakshasya
vrshnO.."
3. varAham of the pavamAna- sOma parvam. The last of the four varAha
sAmans is sung here. The yOni of this sAman is the rk "pra
kAvyamushanEva bruvANO dEvO dEvAnAm"
4. The "purusha-vratAni paNcha" sAman-s of Vratha-parva based on the
yOni/rks beginning with "sahasra-shIrshaha purushah?" It is rks of
these five sAmans, that closely resemble the other recensions of the
purusha suktam found in the rg, yajur, and atharvaNa vedA-s.
5. The Purusha vratam Vratha-parva based on he yOni-mantra "kayA
nashchitra?"
If you are looking for specific sAman numbers, or more details, please
let me know.
Here is a rendition by Kauthuma shAkha sAma brihaspatis,
Sri U. Ve. Thenbirai N. Raman and Sri U. Ve. Srirangam Narayanan
of Chennai:
http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/mpg/sv-3-purusha-sooktam.mp3
II On the Age of the Veds
The rshis to whom the Veda mantras were revealed were mantra-drashtas,
NOT composers.
The 6th Chapter of the Sri Vishnu Purana and the 12th Chapter of the
Srimath Bhagavatham describe how and why
Veda Vyasa and his shishya paramapara reorganized the Veda into
rk-sAma-yajus-atharvaNa and the sub-shAkhas.
Each of the the Vedas have plenty of references to each other. For
instance, the Rg, Yajur and artharvaNa
vedas extoll the greatness of the sAma veda as well as specific samans
and their applications. Vice-versa.
Unlikely, if the Rk, Yajur, Sama and Atharvana samhitas had been
"composed at different times"
Traditional literature stresses that the vedas, just like Sriyah-Pati,
the Veda Purushan are anAdi and nityam.
BrihadAranya Upanishad 2.4.10 describes the Vedas as "nihsvasitam" -
the very breath of the Supreme Being.
Where is the question of ascribing or comparing the age of something
which was never "created"?
sarvamsrikrishnaarpanamasthu
ramanuja dasan.
(-Shreyas)
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