Dear Sri Dileepan: I think you have misunderstood me. My point was not that there have been insertions into 3000padi. My point was that Thenkalai scholars believe (motivated or not) that there have been insertions. With such a belief in hand, how do you "prove with pramanams", when that pramanam is a single quote from the said document. I do not question the contents of 3000padi, but if it is offered as a pramanam I have to point out the objections that are made to it (right or wrong). AdiyEn is sticking to the facts and these are the facts in the debate. This is why I said that it is my belief that it cannot be proved that Sri Pillai Lokacharya authored that thaniyan. And my final recommendation which I made before as well, is in tune with what you are saying - that each believe what their acharyas have told them. Regarding the authorship or agreement on the Panchasat grantha, adiyEn is not aware of what all Thenkalai scholars have to say and that is why I did not comment on the same. However, I think I know who the Thenkalai vidwan that you are pointing who does not believe that the work was authored by Sri Desika. May I point out that the said vidwan does not agree that the Desikar thaniyan was authored by Sri Lokacharyar either. The only reason this email debate started was the statement that pramanams were required to prove the authorship of Lokacharya Panchasat while the thaniyan matter was stated as fact that Sri Lokacharyar wrote it (when clearly it is not universally accepted). If the original mail had simply left it as a query about Lokacharya Panchasat there would have been no debate. But when it is coupled with the thaniyan note then it had to be challenged. I agree with you that proofs should not be demanded for what one sampradhayam believes in, but then that needs to be a two way street. AdiyEn hs nothing further to say other than that I agree with you that both sampradhayams should learn to respect and celebrate each other. adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan TCA Venkatesan http://www.acharya.org --- dileepan <dileepan@xxxx> wrote: > Dear Sri TCA Venkatesan: > > Your position is quite understandable and > not altogether unexpected. But, I think > claims of insertion in 3000 padi, etc. can > be viewed as motivated. > > Let us just stick to facts. It is a fact > that recognized and traditional Vadakalai > vidwans unanimously affirm the authenticity > of the 3000 padi pramANam that was provided > in support of Swami Sri Pillai Lokacharya's > authorship of the Thaniyan. I know Thenkalais > do not accept this, but at least among > Vadakalai vidwans there is unanimity about > this. It is in this sense that I enquired > whether there was unanimity among Thenkalai > vidwans about Swami Sri Desikan's authorship > of the referred Pancasat. I have now received > private e-mails indicating that this is not so. > This claim is not universally accepted by all > the Thenkalai vidwans. Particularly, it has > not been accepted by a noted Thenkalai vidwan > who is well known for grantha publications. > > IMHO, each side should respect the other's > considered opinions in these matters, and, > each side should also admit that their > view in these matters is just their position > and the other side may not accept it. They > must not then try to "prove" to the other > side why their view is more authentic, etc. > What would be the point of that? All the > proofs have been offerred and countered a > million times over. Neither side is going > to be persuaded by the other side. The best > thing for us to do is to live and let live. > The two kalais have much in common, but we > cannot start to celebrate this until we can > respect our differences and accept them as > they are. If we try to out do each other > (e.g. my acharya is better than yours), or > try to deny the legitimacy of the other side > (e.g. your acharya actually belongs to my > sampradayam, your sampradayam did not even > exit more then xxx years ago), we have a > bright future in acrimony. > > -- dileepan > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
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