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Dear raama bhakthaas,
 
In the previous 2 posts we saw the three facets of vaali, the human, 
the monkey and the divine as given by kamban. Now we will see a 
comparison between vaali sugreevan and karNan arjunan. Perhaps few 
may have a doubt why these two pairs of people have to be compared. 
The explanation is as below.
 
In sreemadh raamaayaNam [SR hereafter]
 
Vaali is the son of dhEvendhran or indhran's amsam and the elder 
brother.
Sugreevan is son of sooryan or sooryan's amsam and the younger 
brother.
 
In sree maahaa bhaaratham [MB hereafter]
 
KarNan is the son of sooryan or sooryan's amsam, and the elder 
brother.
Arjunan is the son of dhEvEndhran or indhran's amsam and the younger 
brother.
 
Which means the elder in previous order [SR] became younger later 
[in MB]. That is why a comparison of these four characters is worth 
considering, in particular the death of the elders in both pairs.
 
First let us some of the concurrences and then the conflicts if any 
between these two pairs:
 
1. In both SR and MB, the supreme lord helped the young one only.
 
The supreme lord raama helped the younger one sugreevan, among these 
two brothers in SR.
The supreme lord krishNa helped the younger one arjunan among these 
two brothers in MB.
[viz. the young ones are  the pets to the lord, it appears].
 
2. In both SR and MB, the younger brother's wives were the cause for 
the trouble or fight between the two sets of brothers.
 
In SR, rumaa, the wife of sugreevan, since was snatched away by the 
elder, the trouble between the brothers began. That also became the 
main reason for the death of elder brother as said by raamaa.
 
In MB, the elder brother and his party caused damage to the modesty 
of dhroupathi [the wife of arjunan] and thereby that became the 
cause of his death also.
 
[may be the elder brother karNan was not directly responsible for 
that, but he was a party when the damage to the lady was done. Also 
karNan since continued in dhuryOdhanan's party till his last moment 
he has to pay for the sin committed on account of this lady].
 
3. In both SR and MB the young ones only called the shots - viz. 
initiated the war first.
 
In SR, sugreevan went and called vaali for a fight and got him 
killed.
In MB, the young one arjuna initiated the war since elder and his 
team led by dhuryOdhanan refused the kingdom which lead to war. 
Finally karnan was killed.
 
4. In both cases the young ones were roaming without a place to 
reside or rule on their own.
 
in SR, sugreevan was roaming in rishyamukha parvatham away from the 
kingdom kishkindha.
In MB, arjunan and brothers were in viraata nagaram. From there only 
all initiatives for a war started.
 
5. Both the elders took the wrong side of friendship.
 
In SR vaali took the friendship of raavanan. May be putting it the 
other way may sound better and a bit more logical, raavaNan since 
was afraid of vaali took vaali as a friend. [somehow vaali was in 
the wrong company of raavaNan]
In MB karNan took the friendship of dhuryOdhanan from the beginning. 
When truth about his birth secrets were told to him by none other 
than the supreme lord, my krishNa, he did not come out of the 
clutches of his old friendship which finally lead to his death.
 
6. Both the elders knew their route is adharmam but tried to justify 
with reasons.
 
In SR vaali argues with the lord that it is the monkey's nature, 
animal instincts, to live in any way even by snatching brother's 
wives.
In MB karNan knows that his friend is doing a wrong thing but says I 
am tied up and can not come out of the bond or binding, because of 
my 'senchORRuk kadan' - for having eaten together and or having 
taken a kingdom as a gift from friend.
 
7. The natural law or Dharmam took a back seat in both cases.
 
In a dual between two in SR, vaali and sugreevan, raamaa from behind 
entered and killed, which is not dharma yudhdham.
IN MB karNan was trying to lift the wheel of the chariot and at that 
time he was killed at the instance of krishNa, thereby the dharmam 
of not attacking a niraayudhapaaNi took a back seat.
 
8. Both the elders who were killed, knew who is the main instrument 
in their getting killed - the supreme lord raama and Krishna.
 
In SR vaali even praises raama and seeks 2 boons from the lord, as 
we have already seen by way of kamban's verses.
In MB karnan gets a visvaroopa dharsanam of the lord before his 
final moments and knew well who he is.
 
9. There was a highly knowledgeable person in the side of the young 
one in both pairs of brothers.
 
In SR hanumaan was with sugreevan to help him in times where good 
counseling is needed.
IN MB vidhuran, the highly knowledgeable, was a helper and 
sympathizer to arjunan, though physically was there in the other 
camp.
 
10. In both cases of the killing of the elders, it raised a lot of 
sympathy with the elder and that is why we discuss this topic even 
today.
 
In SR vaali vadham is a controversial topic.
In MB karNan's character itself is a sympathy creator and his 
killing is some thing, which brings tears to the eyes immediately.
 
11. Both the young ones afterwards relent very much for having 
killed the elder or having been the main reason for the elder's 
killing.
 
In SR sugreevan immediately relents.
IN MB arjunan and brothers relents very much once they come to know 
karNan is their elder having realized that through their mother's 
act.
 
Now let us see few of the conflicts or differences in these two 
instances of killing of the elders.
 
1. The friendship or relationship between the supreme lord and the 
young ones were in 2 different ways.
 
In SR the supreme lord raama went in search of sugreevan and made 
friendship with him.
In MB arjunan went for the sakhyam of krishNa. [of course krishNan 
was available to arjunan easily].
 
2. The supreme lord did not do the killing of elders in both cases.
 
In SR, the elder was killed at the hands of the supreme lord - 
raama - DIRECTLY.
IN MB, since the supreme lord krishNa had the vow of not touching 
the weapon, he got karNan killed through arjuna.
 
3. Different ways in killing the elders.
 
In SR raama was hiding and shooting the arrow from behind a tree.
This was completely different in the case of karNan. The lord was in 
the front, riding the chariot of arjunan and he was the person to 
advise arjunan to shoot karNan at that moment of karNan;s lifting 
the wheel of his chariot.
 
I hereby request bhakthaas to join in listing out few more 
concurrences and conflicts, [if something is missed out in the list 
above] for the enjoyment of the mercy of the supreme lord raama and 
krishNa by one and all.

with due respects
v.anjaneyulu, itarsi










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