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Namasthe,

I wrote a mail on this to Sampath swami on this
earlier. THought I shall share some of my thoughts
with this group.

People of low socio-economic status (specially
oppressed women) may have a need to have power and
glory. As a result they get Gods on them. This gives
respect to them. Some also are commercially smart and
make many out of arulvakku.
This kind of stuff is very common with Christian
ministries. They talk about healing and god talking to
them. From the group they call a person by his name
tell about his problems. Needless to say the person
gets converted. Some of it may be the work of spirits.
In some case it may be really a con game. There is
also  healing stuff. This is possible when people who
are normal but with a psychiatric problem like
depersonalization disorder. They think they can't walk
or speak. But when the emotional charged atmosphere of
prayer takes place, they may be coming out of their
delusional belief. Thus a 'lame' walks. I really want
to see if a person's limb is grown in such miracle
meetings :-).

The other cases can suffer from multiple personality
syndrome. A person with lot of stress tends to think
of some personage like deites or old man / woman etc.
When they are in that delusion, they really think like
that personality. Some other cases of spirits taking
over can be due to schizophrenia. THey see angels
talking to them etc. After few weeks of medication,
angels disappers to a good extent.

In Tantras there is a deity called Karna paischasini
who can tell about all events about the world and also
tell about the person before the tantrik. Lot of
astrologers propiate her. 

Vivekanandha also talked about a person in Tamilnade
who made correct predictions about him. Some cases
like these can be genuine. But these are largely
tamaswic siddhis and man need not go behind them.

One way to see the deities occupying can be seen like
our resonance principle. People tune to a frequency
and that frequency may correspond to a conscious level
of a deity. After death the sadhaka may reach this
conscious plane of the deity. Lord talks about this in
Geetha. 

Our belief neeed no such miracles since is all
sattwic.
At times God may take over a pious person to
communicate few things. But it is important to watch
for the person's credentials. Lot of times people
waste their time and money on fakes. It is tough to
identify the genuine from the sham. In specific
situations, Acharyas can lead us to the right
decision.

warm regards,
Balaji S.





--- Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> Swmin's
>  
> This state where Emperuman gets into one self, or
> what is called divine experiance
> is true. We know how Seshadri swamigal was decieved
> by HIM in the form of a 
> Chandala.
>  
> But, this behaviour of people claiming him to be
> inside and terrifying others is entirely
> out of charecter with HIM.We have alwars, we had
> Dhruva and others before in whom all
> Emperuman resided.But then the beauty of it is that
> when he is inside he attracts all the
> other Jivas to him. He never trrifies.
>  
> This was true even with Ramakrishna, Chandrashekara
> saraswati and others who made
> all jivas irrespective of caste creed or religion to
> come close and not terrify.
>  
> Dasan/raghavan
> 
> Sampath G <sampath_govindachari@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha 
> Srimathe Nigamantha Maha Desikaya Namaha 
> 
> Srimate Sri Lakshminrisimha Divyapadukasevaka Srivan
> Satakopa Sri NarayanaYatindra Mahadesikaya namaha
> 
> Dear Bhagavathas,
> 
> Recently I had come across some instances where ,
> people by virtue of their faith in deity , claim
> that at certain instances , the deity itself come on
> them and they start behaving as if they are Almighty
> and the priests start worshipping them , showing
> 'arti'  etc. Some times persons become very
> ferocious and others looking at or near by start
> trembling. 
> 
> We have read in books that Alwars due to their
> immense involvement and dedication in Lord , forgot
> themselves and went in to a state of 'trans' . I do
> not know whether we could equate the present
> behaviour to that state of Alwars . 
> 
> While I am not questioning the validity or sincerity
> of the faith in Almighty by these kinds of persons,
> people  even call  them as blessed persons , I feel
> that such state in present day circumstances could
> be due to combining effect of the person's
> involvement  and faith in  respective demigods / God
> coupled with his poor state of health .
> 
> Will some one clarify , whether such states  are
> accepted in our srivaishnava culture  or if so , the
> reason for such behaviour of those persons.  
> 
> This question is not to HURT any one's faith or
> deminish the level of faith in God or to question
> the validity .It is only to get clarified on a query
> , which I have been having for quite some time. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Adiyen , Ramanuja Dasan , 
> 
> G.Sampath     
> 
> 
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