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Namo NArAyanA!

Could anyone please help me find the flaws here?

[P1 is me, P2 is an advaiti]

The email exchange between the two:

P2 says:
 "Vaishnava monotheists do not regard Brahman as the Ultimate Reality.
Only Narayana is their ultimate Reality."


P1 says:
 This is not true. According to Ramanuja, Brahman
"signifies/synonymous with" NArAyana(Person,Dweller of souls). Brahman
and the Supreme God are one and the same. Brahman is the ultimate
reality, meaning He is the universal self(antaryami). Like Jeevatma
has atma as its soul and body as its mode, Paramatma/supreme
being(Ananta) has Brahman as supersoul and the universe(cit, sentient
and acit, insentient/nature) as HIS body. The non-duality between
jeevatma and paramtma, is due to both being a "being", sharing a
common nature. They are different, jeevatma cannot become
brahman(paramatma) and also not identical with other jeevatma, is in
the difference of the attributes, meaning the level and nature of
consciousness and bliss [karma].


P2 says:


What you have written is not true. Ramanuja regards Brahman as the sum
of God or Naryana, Jiva and Jagat, i.e., Brahman=Naryana+Jiva+Jagat.
It is NOT as you are claiming that Naryana=Brahman+Jiva+Jagat.
Naryana, Jiva and Jagat are eternally separate but are linked to each
other.

The Ultimate Reality is Narayana and Narayana is the goal for the
spiritual aspirant. Why is it so? In Ramanuja's theory, Brahman is
merely the superstructure for Naryana+Jiva+Jagat. If you say that
Brahman is the Ultimate Reality then you have to say that Jiva and
Jagat are also the Ultimate Reality which can not be true. A spiritual
aspirant following Ramanuja's model will have to consider Narayana to
be the Ultimate Reality.

Advaita, on the other hand, says that Nirguna Brahman is ALL and is
the goal for the aspirant. 





 
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