Respected Bhaktas, It is my opinion that if God can only love, he ought to love in terms of preventing disasters too. Since God cannot tolerate any kind of aggression towards his Bhaktas(paritraanaaya saadhoonaam....)and also has all the potential to protect them from any kind of disasters irrespective of the free will of the perpetrators(like those acts He did against Hiranyakashipu and the Kauravas), such past acts will have to be categorised under "fate". However, this is not to say that one can do anything he/she likes to do and subsequently call it "fate". Normally people have to follow the dharma shastras for deciding on every course of action to be taken by them. It is not possible for anyone to argue that so many people met with the same fate at that time. Even otherwise, so many people throughout the world die at the same time and this argument is not put forth to those instances. Since the life of all people is decided at the time of their birth itself, my predilection would be to term this disaster under the context of "fate". Otherwise how would it be possible for such a giant nation with the best security and technology systems in the world to overlook 4 airplanes being hijacked at the same time and not know of it till such time all of them crashed? What was happening to all the radar screens? What about the communication of the pilots to the ground staff? There are several other questions too and if all of these had to happen simultaneously, it can't be mere coincidence but has to be actually fate. Vaachika doshaha kshantavyaha Vasudeva dasan. --- Sandhya Chandarlapaty <g_eggs@xxxx> wrote: > > Sree Raama Namaha: > Respected Sri Narender, > Your reply is indeed very well enlightning and very > clear ly written . I have read Sri Sudarshan's great > reply too. Ever since the tragedy that struck this > nation on Tuesday I have been trying hard to put > this into the perspective of Fate vs Free Will vs > Bhagvat Sankalpam. ."Free will" is the initiative of > the individual to seek God's help or saranagathi - > this is what I understand from your email. That also > means that the individual can choose not to seek any > of the above. Since God can only love, this act can > never be Bhagavat Sankalpam. Fate does not seem to > apply given that so many individuals faced the same > situation. Free will that has been misused - this > seems to to me as the only way to put the horrible > act into the perspective of Fate vs Free Will vs > Bhagvat Sankalpam. Kindly forgive my ignorance, and > help me with your thoughts on this. > > Sree Raama Namaha: > > -Sandhya > > Narender Reddy <reddynp@xxxx> wrote: Sri > Sudarshan has provided a very enlightening > information/discussion on "the roles of Fate, Free > Will, and Bhagavadsankalpam." Let me express my > ignorance by adding few comments. > > Without Bhagavath Sanklpam, No action or result can > take place. The actions are two fold: (1) those > dictated by Fate (Karma) and (2) those by Free Will. > > Bhagavth Sanklpam consists of three components, each > superceeding the other: (1) Fate (Past Karma), > (2)Bhavath kataksham toward prapanna as a result of > Saranagathi, and (3) Nirhethuka Krupa (Causeless > Mercy) of Sri Bhagavan. > > First, the Fate (results of past Karma) is > preprogrammed into an automated system, and the > results are bound to appear unless Sri Bhagavan > interveins. Now, it is up to the Free Will of the > individual to seek God's help and perform > Saranagathi. > If one seeks His help, He remove some of the > unwanted > results and then He shows the path toward > Saranagathi. > He interveins in the delivery of Fate (Karma) and > reprograms it so as to lead the prapanna toward > Mukthi. However, in some cases (at His will), He > showers His Nirhethuka Krupa (causeless mercy) and > gives Gnana (reveals Himself) to perform saranagathi > without the individual seeking His Help. He could > erase all his (athma's) karma or part of it. It is > His > Will. He is Sri Hari(Stealer of sins), and He is Sri > Venkateswara (burner of sins or karmas). Ven means > Sin, Kata means to burn, Iswara means Controller. > Therefore, He can erase karma at His will. While #2 > i.e. seeking His help may require previous samskara > or > the comapnay of good devotees, #3 does not require > any. > > In conclusion, (1) Any action/result is due to > Bhagavth Sankalpam, (2) Certain ctions may be > warranted by previous Karma, (3) we can act by Free > Will but beyond what is dectated by karma, (4) > Results > are dictated by Fate (Karma), (5) but Bhagavan > overrules the preprogramed Fate if we seek His help, > and (6) Bhagavan over rules the Fate of some > individuals as a causeless mercy (Nirhethuka Krupa). > > In the service of Lord Sri Venkateswara, I remain, > > Sincerely > Narender Reddy > > > > --- "Sudarshan M.K." <sampathkumar_2000@xxxx> > wrote: > > --- In tiruvengadam@xxxx, "Sudarshan M.K." > > <sampathkumar_2000@xxxx> > > wrote: > > --- In tiruvengadam@xxxx, "Malolan Cadambi" > > <mcadambi@xxxx> wrote: > > > sri: > > > Dear Bhaktas, > > > On a jiiva, what "roles" do Fate, Free will and > > Bhagavad Sankalpam > > mean? Does Bhagavad Sankalpam alone rule a jiiva > or > > does the jiiva > > have some free will? Does the jiiva have ability > to > > think rationally > > or does even thinking require bhagavad sankalpam? > > Does the power of > > bhagavad sankalpam superseed everything else? > > > > > My apologies if the questions sound irreverent. > > Adiyen Ramanuja Daasan, > > > Malolan Cadambi > > ******************** > > > > > > Dear Sri.Malolan, > > > > It is a very important, not irreverent, question > > that you ask. In > > fact, everyone of us should seek answers to such > > questions in our own > > lives. It is part of 'atma-vIchAram' or what is > > known in Vedantic > > parlance as inquiry into Self. > > > > Fate, Free Will and 'bhagavath-sankalpam' (The > > Supreme Will of God) > > --- what "roles" do they play in an individual's > > (jIvA) life? > > > > Adiyane too has asked himself such questions at > many > > times in life. > > Apart from finding some useful clues in the > Vedantic > > treatises of > > SriVaishnava 'achAryA-s' (FYI, e.g. in > > "yatindra-mata-deepikA"), in > > adiyane's view one can get the best possible and > > most illuminating > > answers more easily from a deep study of the > > character of Kunti-devi > > in the Mahabharata. > > > > Kunti's whole life is a magnificent canvass on > which > > Fate, Free-will > > and 'bhagavath-sankalpam' all freely painted their > > own motifs. The > > final result was that Kunti evolved as a person > into > > an exceptionally > > noble soul, a supreme 'gnyAni' in her own right > and > > into an > > especially beloved one of God, comparable only to > > the 'gopeekA-s' of > > Brindavan for whom Krishna had a very special > place > > in His heart. > > > > At a very early age Fate dealt Kunti a rather > cruel > > hand. Factors and > > forces beyond her control or comprehension turned > > her into a young, > > un-wed mother (of Karna). Kunti secretly and > > silently bore that > > supreme shame of womanhood to almost the very end > of > > her life. > > > > Kunti married early but equally soon she also > became > > an unfortuante > > widow. Thereafter, although she was a Queen in the > > royal house she > > actually lived anything but a Queen's life. Like > any > > widow in those > > times she was nothing but what they call, in > Tamil, > > a woe-begone > > "vAzhAvatti". She and her 5 children were > maltreated > > by the Kauravas. > > She bore insults, barbs, oppression and > humiliation > > at every stage of > > her early motherhood. Even within her own home she > > lived in constant > > fear of her and her children's lives. The Kauravas > > tried to poison > > her sons; their house was set afire, there were > > spies and enemies all > > around them... > > > > When her children, the Pandavas, grew up Kunti > > watched them being > > slowly dispossessed of all that was their royal > > right. She lived to > > see her daughter-in-law's modesty outraged under > > full public gaze > > amidst family members and venerable elders. She > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/
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