--- In SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Mani Varadarajan" <mani2@...> wrote: > > discussed. The summary was that Ahobila Matham and > Pancaratra Sri Jayanti fell on Sept 15, 2006, and > Munitrayam Sri Jayanti fell on Sept 14. > > My calculations based on the astronomical ephemeris > don't support these dates, and I'm seeking clarification > from members. Both Pambu Panchangam and Sri Rangam Kovil Vakkiya Panchangam confirm the above dates. That is, Munithraiya Sri Jayanthi is on Sep 14th and Sri Pancharatra Sri Jayanthi (Sri Ahobila Matam) is on Sep 15th. This is for India. For the U.S. from East coast to West coast, the Munithraiya Sri Jayanthi is on Sep 13th and Pancharathra Sri Jayanthi is on Sep 14th. More clarification later. The following discussion is not for the light of heart. If all you are interested is the final answer, then, here is what you need to know: Srijayanthi in India: Sep 14th (Munithraiyam) and 15th (Sri Sannidhi) Srijayanthi in U.S.: Sep 13th (Munithraiyam) and 14th (Sri Sannidhi) > > Here is what I have, calculated for Chennai time: > > September 14, 2006, @ Sunrise, calculated for Chennai: > Sunrise @ 6:01 AM > Day: Thursday > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (95.79% left) > Nakshatra: Rohini (12.79% left) The above data does not correspond with the traditional numbers. Traditional scholars in India use Suddha Vakkiya Panchangam such as Pambu Panchangam. This is a better source than scientific calculations as the rihis of yore obviously used traditional calculations to record the divine events. Here is what is published in Pambu Panchangam: For Thanjavoor: Sunrise 6:06 AM Sep 14th: Rohini 23.31 nA., Saptami 12.48 nA. Sep 15th: Mrugasheersham 23.29 nA., Ashtami 10.47 nA. The rules for determining Sri Jayanthi is quite convoluted. Refer to Srimad Azhagiya Singar's Ahnika Grantham for details. For Munithraiya Sri Jayanthi, this text gives 15 points of clarification. However, it is sufficient here to observe that if Rohini and Ashtami is present even for a vinadi, then Sri Jayanthi must be observed on that day for Munithraiya Sishyas. Based on the Pambu panchangam data given above, that day for Vyaya Varusham (2006) is indeed September 14th, Thursday in India. Now, for Pancharathra (Sri Ahobila Matam) Sri Jayanthi, the rule is somewhat more involved than Munithraiyam. To summarize, the requirement is for Ashtami and Rohini to be present without Saptami and Krithikai at sunrise. From the Pambu Panchangam data given above, this does not occur on the same day. In such a case the rule is to observe Sri Jayanthi on the day with Rohini (without Krithigai at sunrise) and Navami or, the day with Mrugasheersham and Navami. Applying this secondary rule we see that Sep 15th has Mrugasheersham and Navami. Thus, Sep 15th is Pancharathra Sri Jayanthi in India. For the U.S. Eastern time zone (New York) sunrise: 7:34 AM. Sep 13th: Saptami 45.48 nA., Rohini 56.31 Sep 14th: Ashtami 43.47 nA. Mrugasheersham 56.29 nA. For Munithraiyam the primary rule does not hold. One of the secondary rules (conjunction of Rohini and Ashtami at least at night) occurs on Sep 13th night. So, Munithraiya Sri Jayanthi is on Sep 13th. This is so for the entire U.S.A. For Pancharathra (Sri Ahobila Matam) also, the primary rule does not apply. One of the secondary rules is the conjunction of Mrugasheerham and Navami. This occurs on Sep 14th in the U.S. > > Note 2: There was a statement earlier that "JanmAshtmi > Vratham (GokulAshtami) is not recommended for celebration by > VaishNavAs." This is incorrect. Sri Gopala Desikacharya > has specifically stated that in some circumstances the > Janmashtami vratam is to be observed. Please refer to > Sri Jayanti Nirnaya. This is referred to by Sri Villivalam > Azhagiya Singar in his purvashrama work, Ahnika Grantham, > as follows "... pradhAna vratam viDakkUDAdAkaiyAl mun > dinattil janmAshTamI vratamum marudinattil jayantI vratamum > anushTikkattakkaddu." (p. 93). I think in stead of "incorrect", I would say inaccurate. The statement is indeed true for Sri Sannidhi sishyas. There is no need for Janmashtami vradham for Sri Sannidhi Shishyas. The separation of janmashtami Vradham and Sri Jayanthi vradham is only of Munithraiya Sishyas. Also, this separation is only if both Rohini and Ashtami occur with Karthiakai and Saptami at sunrise respectively. One unanswered question is at what time Sri Jayanthi Aradhanam is to be performed. There is no doubt for sishyas in India, it is during the midnight hour. However, for sishyas in the U.S. if we adjust for time difference it will be around 3 PM eastern time. After all, when the Lord was born it was afternoon here in the U.S. Thank you, -- Dileepan Yahoo! 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