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Dear Bhagavatas:
Here is a feedback on the subject from one of our esteemed members.
Dasoham
Anbil Ramaswamy
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>From: Srini Raghavan <sraghav@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>CC: Mani Varadarajan <mani2@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: RE: [SriRangaSri] Re: Sri Jayanti Date
>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Dear Anbil swamin:
>
>I am very glad to read your firm statement on this subject endorsing the 
>view of Sriman Mani Varadarajan.  I am very perturbed by divergent opinions 
>reflecting Sri Sannadhi of matam, Munitriyam, Thenkalai sampradayam etc 
>which fragment our Vaishnava community in USA into smaller compartments.  
>Everyone tries to convert Panchangam(Vakyam and Thirukkanidham) from 
>Chennai to geocentric positions of planets,thithi,nakshatram etc  to local 
>time and confuse ordinary folks like me on the date and time we should 
>observe to follow our sampradayam.  I have no problem if a few very 
>orthodox  Vaishnavas in the US want to replicate their Acharya's wish. as 
>they do in India in theie own household.
>
>I have had this discussion in vain with some people who advance extreme 
>views on matters relating to Vaishnavism, for example as to when to perfrom 
>Ganga snanam at home  in various parts of the world for Naraka Chaturthi on 
>Deepavali day. Sun rise and sun set vary widely in diffferent lattitudes 
>and longitudes..There is midnight sun in Sweden and Denmark in Summer time 
>amd Moon at 12 noon in winter.How do we fix the time observing Deepavali 
>from New Zealand, Australia to Europe, North America, South America and 
>Africa.  There are Hindus everywhere in every corner of the various 
>continent.  We need to have unifrom standard for all of us based on local 
>time for any event for the date shown on our Panchangam. Some orthodox 
>people can choose their time and date to please their Acharyas.
>We are not offending God as we celebrate his Vaibhavam.
>
>Adiyen
>S.raghavan
>
>Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dear Bhagavatas:
>I entirely agree with the observations  of Sri Mani Varadarajan Swamin when
>he says -
>
>"I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according
> >to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For
> >example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the
> >timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should
> >observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local
> >time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the
> >heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This
> >would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time,
> >irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based
> >on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time
> >for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in
> >India from city to city, depending on local phenomena --
> >sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same
> >across continents"
>===================================================================
>I would like to invite you to a question raised by a member on observing 
>Rahu Kalam in Italy and my answer to that question. I am reproducing the 
>same for your information. vide Message 7147 dated 3rd April 2006. I have 
>checked it with asmad Acharyan, H.H.Srimad Andavan, Poundarikapuram Swami 
>Asramam and he has concurred in my view.
>
>Accordingly, it would make sense if we follow the same whatever Panchangam 
>we have in "Bharaata Varsha, Bhjaratah khaNDa", observing the same Tithi, 
>Vaara, Nakshatra, yoga and KaraNa with reference to the local time of 
>Sunrise and Sunset in any part of the world  and a recalculation based on 
>Time zone differences need not be resorted to.
>Dasoham
>Anbil Ramaswamy
>====================================================================
>SrI:
>Dear Sara,
>
>Our Sri Anbil Ramaswamy had written the response as below.
>Hope this helps
>Regards
>Namo Narayana
>madhavakkannan
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Dear friend:
>
>My take on the subject is as follows:
>The day is divided into 5 parts called Abhigamanam,
>Upaadaanam, Ijya, Svaadhyaayam and YOga.
>Approximately, each period will be around 2 1/2 hours
>from the moment of Sunrise.
>
>All Pancha- angams called Thithi, Vaara, Nakshatra,
>yOga and KaraNa are to be calculated from the moment
>of Sunrise at any given place. Thus, if it is MONDAY
>in India, all these Tithi, Vaara, Nakshatra, yOga and
>KaraNa for MONDAY must be calculated on the basis of
>Monday in any part of the world.
>
>Otherwise, a gross discrepancy will ensue as shown
>below:
>
>If Sri -Jayanti is celebrated on say at Mid-night of
>any day say, MONDAY in India, (since Lord KrishNa was born at
>Mid-night of that MONDAY) people in USA would have to celebrate it on
>the same MONDAY instead of at dusk! Obviously, this is not
>correct.
>
>Similarly, Nrisimha Jayanti has to be celebrated in
>the evening at dusk when Lord Nrisimha appeared from
>the pillar. Calculating on the basis of time
>difference, people in USA will be celebrating it at
>DAWN instead of at DUSK! Obviously, this is not
>correct.
>
>Also, there are at least 5 time zones in the USA. If
>it is 6.00 am at California (West Coast), it would be
>11.00 am at New York (East Coast). The question arises when should the 
>respective residents observe the various observances.
>
>To add to the confusion, some areas in USA follow the
>Daylight Savings time from April to October and revert
>to standard timings from October to April - while
>many other states do not follow this at all !
>
>The Rahukaalam commencing at 7.30 am as per Indian
>Standard Time (IST) on Mondays in India is based on
>the assumption of IST Sunrise is at 6.00 a m. But even
>this IST Computation is no standard at all because there is
>actually a difference of about 60 minutes as between
>Mumbai on the West and Kolkatta in the East and the Sunrise
>timings would dkiffer accordingly.
>
>My answer is that everyone should observe with
>reference to the
>EXACT TIME OF SUNRISE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE LOCATIONS.
>This can be verified from thelocal Newspapers, Internet,
>Radio, TV weather channels etc.
>
>Hope this clarifies.
>
>Dasoham
>
>Anbil Ramaswamy
>*********************************************************************
>Respected members, namaskar...
>
>While living in India (Tamil Nadu), I was taught to observe rAhu kAlam as 
>follows:
>monday - from 7.30 am to 9.00 am
>tuesday - from 3.00 pm to 4.30 pm
>wednesday - from 12.00 (noon) to 1.30 pm
>thursday - from 1.30 pm to 3.00 pm
>friday - from 10.30 am to 12.00 (noon)
>saturday - from 9.00 am to 10.30 am
>sunday - from 4.30 pm to 6.00 pm
>
>Now, I have a doubt: is rAhu kAlam always the same in every country or does 
>it depend on geografic coordinates? If it changes according to the country, 
>what time shall we observe rahu kalam in Italy? And shall we observe it 
>according to solar time or to daylight savings time, which has started just 
>few days ago?
>
>Can anybody please clarify?
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Sara
>===========================================================
>Full text of Sri Mani varadarajan's mail is reproduced below:
>
> >From: "Mani Varadarajan"
> >To: SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [SriRangaSri] Re: Sri Jayanti Date
> >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:36:41 -0000
> >
> >srimate ramanujaya namah
> >
> >Dear Sri Dileepan and other Astikas,
> >
> >Thank you for your clarification. It appears that the
> >calculation supporting the date of September 15 for
> >Pancaratra Sri Jayanti is based on the formulas of
> >the Vakya Panchangam. What's not clear to me is why
> >the Vakya Panchangam is accorded any greater holiness
> >than scientific calculations. As far as I understand,
> >the Vakya Panchangam's basis is not "rishi prokta"
> >but is only the record of the scientific formulae
> >known to the extent possible in the time of their
> >recording, which is in the first few centuries A.D.
> >There were differing panchangams even in those days
> >(in Karnataka it has long been in vogue to present
> >calculations according to both Vakya and Siddhanta
> >conventions, for example).
> >
> >I am more comfortable following what corresponds to
> >the scientific positions of the planets as a basis for
> >dating. Certainly others may be more comfortable
> >in observing based on old formulae, no matter how much
> >they may differ from observed phenomena. (For example,
> >if the Vakya panchangam's formulae were used to observe
> >eclipses, we would totally miss the eclipses, doing
> >tarpanam, mantra japam, aradhanam, etc., at the wrong
> >times, i.e., outside the period of the eclipse! Even
> >the most rigorous Vaidika adjusts based on observed
> >phenomena. I fail to see the logic in not adjusting for
> >other observations as well.
> >
> >Re: when to do aradhanam?
> >
> >I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according
> >to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For
> >example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the
> >timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should
> >observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local
> >time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the
> >heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This
> >would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time,
> >irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based
> >on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time
> >for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in
> >India from city to city, depending on local phenomena --
> >sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same
> >across continents.
> >
> >With regards,
> >and in fond anticipation of the sweet memory of
> >Sri Krishna no matter what the locality or the date,
> >
> >adiyen ramanuja dasan
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