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Respected Bhagavatas,
   
  This problem will continue on a permanent basis till such time we flout the 
shastras and continue to stay abroad considering the foreign lands as home. It 
is not without reason, after all, that our forefathers have prohibited travel 
outside of Bharatam.
   
  Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,
   
  V.K.Vasudevan.

Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
          Dear Bhagavatas:
I entirely agree with the observations of Sri Mani Varadarajan Swamin when 
he says -

"I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according
>to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For
>example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the
>timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should
>observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local
>time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the
>heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This
>would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time,
>irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based
>on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time
>for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in
>India from city to city, depending on local phenomena --
>sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same
>across continents"
===================================================================
I would like to invite you to a question raised by a member on observing Rahu 
Kalam in Italy and my answer to that question. I am reproducing the same for 
your information. vide Message 7147 dated 3rd April 2006. I have checked it 
with asmad Acharyan, H.H.Srimad Andavan, Poundarikapuram Swami Asramam and he 
has concurred in my view.

Accordingly, it would make sense if we follow the same whatever Panchangam we 
have in "Bharaata Varsha, Bhjaratah khaNDa", observing the same Tithi, Vaara, 
Nakshatra, yoga and KaraNa with reference to the local time of Sunrise and 
Sunset in any part of the world and a recalculation based on Time zone 
differences need not be resorted to.
Dasoham
Anbil Ramaswamy
====================================================================
SrI:
Dear Sara,

Our Sri Anbil Ramaswamy had written the response as below.
Hope this helps
Regards
Namo Narayana
madhavakkannan
----------------------------------------------------------
Dear friend:

My take on the subject is as follows:
The day is divided into 5 parts called Abhigamanam,
Upaadaanam, Ijya, Svaadhyaayam and YOga.
Approximately, each period will be around 2 1/2 hours
from the moment of Sunrise.

All Pancha- angams called Thithi, Vaara, Nakshatra,
yOga and KaraNa are to be calculated from the moment
of Sunrise at any given place. Thus, if it is MONDAY
in India, all these Tithi, Vaara, Nakshatra, yOga and
KaraNa for MONDAY must be calculated on the basis of
Monday in any part of the world.

Otherwise, a gross discrepancy will ensue as shown
below:

If Sri -Jayanti is celebrated on say at Mid-night of
any day say, MONDAY in India, (since Lord KrishNa was born at
Mid-night of that MONDAY) people in USA would have to celebrate it on
the same MONDAY instead of at dusk! Obviously, this is not
correct.

Similarly, Nrisimha Jayanti has to be celebrated in 
the evening at dusk when Lord Nrisimha appeared from 
the pillar. Calculating on the basis of time 
difference, people in USA will be celebrating it at 
DAWN instead of at DUSK! Obviously, this is not 
correct. 

Also, there are at least 5 time zones in the USA. If
it is 6.00 am at California (West Coast), it would be
11.00 am at New York (East Coast). The question arises when should the 
respective residents observe the various observances.

To add to the confusion, some areas in USA follow the
Daylight Savings time from April to October and revert
to standard timings from October to April - while
many other states do not follow this at all !

The Rahukaalam commencing at 7.30 am as per Indian
Standard Time (IST) on Mondays in India is based on
the assumption of IST Sunrise is at 6.00 a m. But even
this IST Computation is no standard at all because there is
actually a difference of about 60 minutes as between
Mumbai on the West and Kolkatta in the East and the Sunrise 
timings would dkiffer accordingly.

My answer is that everyone should observe with
reference to the 
EXACT TIME OF SUNRISE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE LOCATIONS.
This can be verified from thelocal Newspapers, Internet, 
Radio, TV weather channels etc.

Hope this clarifies.

Dasoham

Anbil Ramaswamy
*********************************************************************
Respected members, namaskar...

While living in India (Tamil Nadu), I was taught to observe rAhu kAlam as 
follows:
monday - from 7.30 am to 9.00 am
tuesday - from 3.00 pm to 4.30 pm
wednesday - from 12.00 (noon) to 1.30 pm
thursday - from 1.30 pm to 3.00 pm
friday - from 10.30 am to 12.00 (noon)
saturday - from 9.00 am to 10.30 am
sunday - from 4.30 pm to 6.00 pm

Now, I have a doubt: is rAhu kAlam always the same in every country or does it 
depend on geografic coordinates? If it changes according to the country, what 
time shall we observe rahu kalam in Italy? And shall we observe it according to 
solar time or to daylight savings time, which has started just few days ago? 

Can anybody please clarify?

Kind regards,

Sara
===========================================================
Full text of Sri Mani varadarajan's mail is reproduced below:

>From: "Mani Varadarajan" <mani2@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [SriRangaSri] Re: Sri Jayanti Date
>Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:36:41 -0000
>
>srimate ramanujaya namah
>
>Dear Sri Dileepan and other Astikas,
>
>Thank you for your clarification. It appears that the
>calculation supporting the date of September 15 for
>Pancaratra Sri Jayanti is based on the formulas of
>the Vakya Panchangam. What's not clear to me is why
>the Vakya Panchangam is accorded any greater holiness
>than scientific calculations. As far as I understand,
>the Vakya Panchangam's basis is not "rishi prokta"
>but is only the record of the scientific formulae
>known to the extent possible in the time of their
>recording, which is in the first few centuries A.D.
>There were differing panchangams even in those days
>(in Karnataka it has long been in vogue to present
>calculations according to both Vakya and Siddhanta
>conventions, for example).
>
>I am more comfortable following what corresponds to
>the scientific positions of the planets as a basis for
>dating. Certainly others may be more comfortable
>in observing based on old formulae, no matter how much
>they may differ from observed phenomena. (For example,
>if the Vakya panchangam's formulae were used to observe
>eclipses, we would totally miss the eclipses, doing
>tarpanam, mantra japam, aradhanam, etc., at the wrong
>times, i.e., outside the period of the eclipse! Even
>the most rigorous Vaidika adjusts based on observed
>phenomena. I fail to see the logic in not adjusting for
>other observations as well.
>
>Re: when to do aradhanam?
>
>I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according
>to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For
>example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the
>timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should
>observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local
>time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the
>heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This
>would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time,
>irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based
>on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time
>for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in
>India from city to city, depending on local phenomena --
>sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same
>across continents.
>
>With regards,
>and in fond anticipation of the sweet memory of
>Sri Krishna no matter what the locality or the date,
>
>adiyen ramanuja dasan
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