Hear Dellie Norton talking with Allen Tullos
My grandparents moved here in a covered wagon. I think now that old John
Chandler and Andy Chandlerthey was my great-grandparentsthey
come from close to the ocean. They come in a covered wagon when they
first moved in here. I've heared old people talk about it.
Now my mother was married before she married my daddy. She had three boys and a
girl. I got one half-sister and three half-brothers. They died when they
was very little.
My grandmother had fifty acres of land and she give
my mammy's brother Baliff twenty-five acres and she give my mammy
twenty-five acres. We lived up there in the Ben Cove when I was little
bitty. I was born up there. I was delivered by a midwife. I was trying
to think of her name. Can't do it though. Sometimes they paid them with
different things. If they had any money they paid them with money, but
if they didn't, they'd take any kind of food. Dried apples. Dried
peaches. Or brush beans. Or anything like that. And meat.
One year we had it real tough. Daddy couldn't get no work around close and he had
to go to his sister's in Pennsylvania. He went and stayed two years that
I never seed him. He worked at making these bathtubs. That's what he
made. I was just little and I didn't even know him when he got back. I'd
never seed him with a suit of clothes and a tie on before. Me and
Branscum was just little bitty things. I guess Branscum wouldn't have
been two years old. There ain't but two years between us. We was out up
there playing, and this man come down and come to us. He knowed us. But
we didn't know him. We was afeared of him.
My mammy knew he'd be back. He sent money back, but he saved a lot he brought in. We had
plenty to eat and things like that. My mother made the awfulest crop
that year you ever seed. She worked just like a man. She'd plow. Plowed
the ground, laid it off, and planted it. The other children was bigger
than me‹three of them‹and they'd help. I wouldn't be much hand to work
because I was just very little. They finally got to logging on
Spillcorn, and they'd walk and go to that job. But that was maybe
fifteen years after he come back from Pennsylvania. There didnąt used to
be no work around here to do.
We had two log houses when I was growing up, but they didn't set together.
There was a big yard between them. The kitchen was in one house, and the living room and
the bedrooms was all together in one log house. We didn't have no flooring in the
kitchen, where we did the cooking. We had a dirt floor. The living room
and bedrooms was all together and it was big. It was big enough to hold
four beds and plenty of room with a big fireplace. It was warm, but if
it was snowy you had to wade the snow to get down to the kitchen to eat
and to cook.
We cooked with one of these old kind of step stoves.
Back then you couldn't get one of these big, good stoves like you get
now. It had four eyes on top and a little apron out in front. And just a
place where you put your bread in. And really, it was very small, but
you could cook good on them. There was a door there at the little apron
where you put your wood in. You don't ever see none of them no more.
My mother's brother lived right on down below us in a log house and he
had five younguns. I'd go down there a lot and play with them, and
they'd come to play with me. And then there was another house on down,
and sometimes we'd go down there. And they had twelve children. There
was bunches of children and they all lived pretty close. Younguns
couldn't get toys back in them days like they do now. They generally
made them a rag doll. When I was little I had rag dolls to play with
that my older sisters would make.
I had two dresses when I begin to go to school. Two checked cotton dresses. I wore one to
school and one of a Sunday. When I wore that one a week to school, I'd put my Sunday
dress on for my mother to wash my school dress.
My mother was a good sewer. She could make any kind of dresses, pants. She could weave and
card. She'd make us yarn jackets to wear. Knit gloves and stockings. I
had shoes. I mighta not of had none when I was very small, but when I
went to go to school I had shoes. But they was different to what shoes
is now. They called them button shoes, high-topped button shoes. You had
to have a hook to button them up with.
You didn't get out unless you
walked or went in a wagon or rode a horse back in them days. You had
money if you wanted to get out and go to these foreign stores and
places. If you hadn't had the money you couldn't get out and get
nothing. You had to ride a horse though if you went to Marshall, or
walk. That's twenty-two miles from here. You generally didn't go too
often. I guess I'd sometimes go to Marshall once a week. Maybe out to
Walnut. I'd trade out at Walnut‹at the old station they called it. John
Ramsey had a big store there. I'd go over there every Easter to get my
Easter outfit. Every Easter. I'd walk out there and walk back the same
day. I'd walk through the mountains, and it ain't so far‹maybe eight or
ten miles. I loved to walk back then. I could walk. Sometimes there were
people out there that I knew and I'd stop in and see them.
You couldn't get a car back in here. Not in them days. You could take a
wagon, but people just didn't have no cars. I guess they could've come
so far, but they couldn't have come on up I don't guess. That road used
to go right on up through the branch. Right up the branch.
I rode a mule to the top of the mountain with a sack of fertilize. Right in front
of me. I had a saddle on the mule. You couldn't put it behind you. It
would've went off. You had to put it in front of you. They made
two-hundred-pound sacks back then. That was the reason they would clear
them big new grounds on top of the mountain. You could raise all kinds
of stuff. Taters. Did raise some baccer up there once I think. The land
was better. It would make better stuff. The land was richer.
Back in them days we'd have workings. Everybody around nearly would come and
help. They didn't charge you nothing. In a day or two they'd clear an
acre, all but ready to burn it off. Have it all piled high, big brush
piles‹a sight. They didn't have no power saws. They'd saw those trees
down with a crosscut saw. You didn't have to dig those roots from the
trees unless you wanted to. You just let the stumps stand and rot out
and plant around them. You had to grub the little things. Most of the
time you'd lay it off and plant your stuff. You didn't have to plow it
up unless you wanted to. You'd come back later and hoe it. We had two
acres on this big steep hill and we never did plow it. Hoed it without
You'd take you a hoe and make you a hole and drop your
stuff in it where it was steep that way. Sometimes, back then in some
places, you didn't use fertilize. The ground was rich and would make
good stuff unless it was baccer. Now the baccer, when they first got to
raising it, they'd put just a teaspoon of fertilize with each hill. They
didn't plant it like they do now. Make a little hill around that
fertilize, cover it over, and stick your baccer in there.
Things don't grow enough to make stuff as good as they used to. Lord, I've seen
one cabbage cut up fill a dishpan full. And big ears of corn. I don't
think it grows as well now. You canąt grow nothing now unless you've got
the fertilize. But used to, you didn't have to have it.
You'd save your seed. You'd plant a cabbage and it would make seeds. Plant a beet,
and it would make seeds. You'd save your seeds, and my mother was a
person that would sure save them. Plenty of seeds of every kind. I do
that yet. I save my mater seeds and cucumber seeds and watermelon seeds.
Bean seeds. You'd save enough of it. It wouldn't take too much. A bushel
of seed would plant two or three acres.
We'd save our corn seed right on the cob. I've seed mammy sack it up and hang it on a tier pole
in the barn to keep the rats or anything from bothering it. We'd shell
it to feed to the hogs. When we first moved up in here hogs, and cows
too, just ran wild in the mountains. Theyąd eat chestnuts. There used to
be the awfulest sight of chestnuts. Hogs would get fat on them. When we
first moved, before Daddy bought that place up there, we had the
awfulest bunch of hogs ever was. There was a fence above the house and
my mammy had a dog trained. It knowed our hogs from our neighbors' and
wouldn't let those other hogs in the slop at all. It ran them off.
I reckon it did save moneyif you had to pay for seeds then like you
do now. I don't think back then there was no place to go to get no
seeds. You had to save them or do without. If I didn't have them, I'd
buy them, or beg them from somebody else. Somebody always had them some.
But I always tried to save me some. I didn't have to beg.