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by tjrolfs
July 7th, 2014, 6:57 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου
Replies: 20
Views: 8314

Re: Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου

My summary of things learned: 1. Do not trust free Internet Greek tools to parse accurately. One tool indicated to me that the use of τοῖς here, is neuter. Had I just double checked it myself, it would have been obvious (as pointed out multiple times) that τοῖς is Dative Masculine Plural in this cas...
by tjrolfs
July 7th, 2014, 5:48 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου
Replies: 20
Views: 8314

Re: Grammatical / natural gender

In the phrase τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν, the noun μάρτυσίν is dative masculine plural, so τοῖς and δυσὶν are dative masculine plural to match the noun. Ok, so the phrase τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν doesn't tell you anything more than: these are witnesses, and there are two of them. There is one other thing that ...
by tjrolfs
July 6th, 2014, 9:12 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου
Replies: 20
Views: 8314

Re: Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου

The fact that τοῖς is neuter isn't even a fact ;=> τοῖς can be either dative masculine plural or dative neuter plural. In the phrase τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν, the noun μάρτυσίν is dative masculine plural, so τοῖς and δυσὶν are dative masculine plural to match the noun. Ok, so the phrase τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυ...
by tjrolfs
July 6th, 2014, 8:54 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου
Replies: 20
Views: 8314

Re: Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου

Travis, The object of δώσω is not specified. That verb in passive is used frequently in Apocalypse where an agent is "enabled" by divine providence to perform some action. In the active form here it seems to indicate that the two witnesses will be authorized and enabled for the task defin...
by tjrolfs
July 6th, 2014, 3:40 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου
Replies: 20
Views: 8314

Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου

καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου καὶ προφητεύσουσιν ἡμέρας χιλίας διακοσίας ἑξήκοντα περιβεβλημένοι Revelation 11: 3 Ok, I may be trying to jump into the deep end here before I'm ready. So if you think I need to be rescued from drowning, please feel free to save me :D . Im interested in this first p...
by tjrolfs
June 2nd, 2014, 6:10 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς ὑπάγετε
Replies: 3
Views: 1630

Re: καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς ὑπάγετε

Thanks,

That makes sense. It seems Wuest "expanded" a little too much there.

Very helpful.
by tjrolfs
June 1st, 2014, 6:51 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς ὑπάγετε
Replies: 3
Views: 1630

καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς ὑπάγετε

[Administrator note: Please remember to sign with your first and last name...] Matthew 8:32a καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς ὑπάγετε MGNT I like to reference Kenneth Wuest's English NT "expanded translation" from time to time regarding certain verses and chapters of the NT. Wuest translates this section ...
by tjrolfs
May 21st, 2014, 5:23 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Glad to be here
Replies: 3
Views: 1983

Re: Glad to be here

Greetings and welcome, Travis. This is one of the journeys of which it is actually true, that there is as much benefit in the journey as their is in the arrival. You will also find it the never ending journey. Oh, I don't mean you won't accomplish the goal you have set for yourself, but you will fi...
by tjrolfs
May 20th, 2014, 8:14 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Glad to be here
Replies: 3
Views: 1983

Glad to be here

Hello, My name is Travis. I hail from the midwestern portion of the United States of America. Although foreign languages (I'm an English native speaker), and especially something like biblical Greek, have nothing to do with my formal education or field of work, I do have an extremely large affinity ...

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