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- January 25th, 2016, 7:16 pm
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Mark 6:8 εἰ μή Conditional Statement Grammar
- Replies: 12
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Re: Mark 6:8 εἰ μή Conditional Statement Grammar
Mmmm, doesn't the εἰ μὴ idiom require an apodosis clause directly before εἰ μὴ? So by inserting a relative clause just before εἰ μὴ, the relative clause becomes the apodosis. Would you agree with this? I actually wanted 'which I see' to refer to 'the journey' (so that's why the relative pronoun is ...
- January 22nd, 2016, 2:29 am
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Mark 6:8 εἰ μή Conditional Statement Grammar
- Replies: 12
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Re: Mark 6:8 εἰ μή Conditional Statement Grammar
Hi Eeli and Johnathan, 1) So with Mark 6:8, would the following break down be correct?: ( apodosis ) εἰ μὴ ( protasis ) (καὶ παρήγγειλεν αὐτοῖς ἵνα μηδὲν αἴρωσιν εἰς ὁδὸν) εἰ μὴ (ῥάβδον μόνον, μὴ ἄρτον, μὴ πήραν, μὴ εἰς τὴν ζώνην χαλκόν), (SBL) (And commanded them that they should take nothing for t...
- January 21st, 2016, 1:21 am
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Mark 6:8 εἰ μή Conditional Statement Grammar
- Replies: 12
- Views: 4983
Re: Mark 6:8 εἰ μή Conditional Statement Grammar
Just found an article by Bill Mounce that addresses this, tells where to look in BDAG, and specifically addresses Mark 6:8: Idioms can really be a pain, can’t they? Idioms are phrases in which the individual words don’t bear their normal meaning, but together they have a special meaning. The trick ...
- January 21st, 2016, 1:12 am
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Mark 6:8 εἰ μή Conditional Statement Grammar
- Replies: 12
- Views: 4983
Re: Mark 6:8 εἰ μή Conditional Statement Grammar
That article seems to conflate the meaning of conditional sentences in Greek with formal logic, I don't think that generally reflects real natural language usage, and I don't think the article demonstrates that it does. Hi Johnathan, Powell's summary of the idiomatic use of εἰ μή was referencing Bo...
- January 20th, 2016, 10:27 am
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Mark 6:8 εἰ μή Conditional Statement Grammar
- Replies: 12
- Views: 4983
Mark 6:8 εἰ μή Conditional Statement Grammar
Hi all, Found this paper by: Charles E. Powell, Ph.D. and John Baima, Clauses in the NT: Interpretation and Translation https://bible.org/article/%CE%B5%E1%BC%B0-%CE%BC%E1%BD%B5-clauses-nt-interpretation-and-translation#P8_317 It says: It is often observed in the grammars that the use of εἰ μή with ...
- January 19th, 2016, 12:30 pm
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Col 2:16-17 translation
- Replies: 16
- Views: 8147
Re: Col 2:16-17 translation
William, I think that the interpretation you are suggesting is nearly impossible, both from normal Greek usage and context. The δέ here, without a preceding example of the word in the context, certainly implies a contrast with the previous clause. You argue that we do not have to supply ἐστί from c...
- January 16th, 2016, 10:46 am
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Col 2:16-17 translation
- Replies: 16
- Views: 8147
Re: Col 2:16-17 translation
Hi Will, I think it's really hard to reason about things like this by demonstrating various ways that the Greek can be rendered into English. Perhaps the best starting point would be to look at papers on the discourse function of δὲ, and that's a thread-worthy topic on its own. But let me try to ap...
- January 14th, 2016, 1:04 pm
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Col 2:16-17 translation
- Replies: 16
- Views: 8147
Re: Col 2:16-17 translation
1) ‘δὲ’ can carry concessive meaning: Matt 12:31 wrote:Διὰ τοῦτο λέγω ὑμῖν, πᾶσα ἁμαρτία καὶ βλασφημία ἀφεθήσεται τοῖς ἀνθρώποις, ἡ δὲ τοῦ Πνεύματος βλασφημία οὐκ ἀφεθήσεται. (Nestle GNT 1904) "So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven--except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, wh...
- January 14th, 2016, 11:10 am
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Col 2:16-17 translation
- Replies: 16
- Views: 8147
Re: Col 2:16-17 translation
I'm not at all convinced that it can be read the way you want to read it. I really think you are misreading δε here, but I don't have the energy or time to debate each point you make in your posts. Apart from the grammar, I don't think your interpretation fits the context - in the passage as a whol...
- March 22nd, 2015, 7:46 am
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Col 2:16-17 translation
- Replies: 16
- Views: 8147
Re: Col 2:16-17 translation
..., 'but' means something like 'except', and I don't think δέ can carry that sort of concessive sense. * Let no one therefore judge you but the Body of Christ * Μὴ οὖν τις ὑμᾶς κρινέτω τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ (ungrammatical) I don't think the Greek is grammatical. I don't think this is the way δὲ i...