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by Gregory Hartzler-Miller
January 22nd, 2020, 11:19 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ
Replies: 25
Views: 11938

Re: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ

Gregory, please try to restrict you discussions more closely to the Greek... To make a fresh start, with a focus on the Greek, here is, according to my rereading, the smallest comprehensible discourse unit: Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ, ὅτι κἀγὼ ὡς ὑμεῖς, ἀδελφοί, δέομαι ὑμῶν. οὐδέν με ἠδικήσατε· οἴδατε δὲ ὅτι δ...
by Gregory Hartzler-Miller
January 21st, 2020, 10:43 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ
Replies: 25
Views: 11938

Re: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ

But it's interesting that there's an entire book on this subject. https://academic.logos.com/files/2018/12/9780567669070.jpg RE: πηλίκος] how great. A lot has been written about the supposed physical appearance, especially the largeness, of the letters Paul wrote with his own hand (Gal. 6:11): Ἴδετ...
by Gregory Hartzler-Miller
January 20th, 2020, 4:51 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ
Replies: 25
Views: 11938

Re: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ

Gregory, please try to restrict you discussions more closely to the Greek, and not stray too far into general or theological interpretation. Barry, Ok, I will try. There is a forum guideline that says: "Discussion must focus on the Greek text, not on modern language translations, theological contro...
by Gregory Hartzler-Miller
January 20th, 2020, 2:09 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ
Replies: 25
Views: 11938

Re: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ

At the point when the Galatians had received the apostle as "an angel of God, as Christ Jesus,” the Galatians would have "gouged out their eyes" and given them to him! μαρτυρῶ γὰρ ὑμῖν ὅτι εἰ δυνατὸν τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς ὑμῶν ἐξορύξαντες ἐδώκατέ μοι. What did that language symbolize? We are told that, hav...
by Gregory Hartzler-Miller
January 18th, 2020, 12:03 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ
Replies: 25
Views: 11938

Re: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ

Gal 4:13-14 has answered fully what that πειρασμός was — an inclination to withhold welcome from Paul on account of his ailment In my rereading of Galatians 4:14, I have given a lot of thought to what did and did not happen: καὶ τὸν πειρασμὸν ὑμῶν ἐν τῇ σαρκί μου οὐκ ἐξουθενήσατε [με] οὐδὲ ἐξεπτύσα...
by Gregory Hartzler-Miller
January 18th, 2020, 10:31 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ
Replies: 25
Views: 11938

Re: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ

Greg, ἄγγελον and Χριστὸν Ἰησοῦν at the end of Gal. 4:14 refer to Paul, not the Galatians... I do not disagree. I have tried to show that it was the apostle who was received by the Galatians as if he were ἄγγελον and Χριστὸν Ἰησοῦν, and in the proposed rereading, they did so because he was tempted ...
by Gregory Hartzler-Miller
January 17th, 2020, 12:54 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ
Replies: 25
Views: 11938

Re: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ

I'm trying to be tentative, and so calling my comprehensive rereading of the grammar a hypothesis, awkwardly perhaps. I'm trying to say that I think I may have rediscovered the original grammar of Gal. 4:12-14 (which has seemingly been lost). I am encouraged in my rereading of this passage, first an...
by Gregory Hartzler-Miller
January 17th, 2020, 9:28 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ
Replies: 25
Views: 11938

Re: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ

"Hypothetical lost grammar?" What is that even supposed to mean? "The hypothetical lost grammar" or THLG refers to an alternative interpretation of the grammar of Paul in Galatians 4:12-14. THLG is very different from the traditional interpretation of the grammar, and thus, according to this hypoth...
by Gregory Hartzler-Miller
January 16th, 2020, 8:04 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ
Replies: 25
Views: 11938

Re: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ

The method proposed is to read further elaborations of the hypothetical lost grammar of Galatians 4:12-14 (THLG) with an ear for a further echo in Hebrews. Here is an example of an elaboration that finds an echo. THLG brings focus on the phrase “in my flesh” and, in the context of the epistle to the...
by Gregory Hartzler-Miller
January 11th, 2020, 10:59 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ
Replies: 25
Views: 11938

Re: Galatians 4:12-14 Γίνεσθε ὡς ἐγώ

The hypothetical lost grammar of Paul in Galatians 4:12-14 (THLG) proposed above appears to have a literary echo in Hebrews. If this is so, it would be part of an already observed pattern of the literary influence of Galatians on Hebrews (Witherington, The Influence of Galatians on Hebrews, NTS Jan...

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