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by Sean Kasabuske
August 5th, 2021, 7:32 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 35732

Re: John 8:58

Eeli, I wasn’t trying to resolve the issue by having Stephen translate it I was trying to understand his view of the syntax by making him translate it. He didn’t do so but pointed me to the 'standard' translations which opened him up to being misunderstood. That suggests an important criterion for ...
by Sean Kasabuske
August 4th, 2021, 5:07 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 35732

Re: John 8:58

Eeli Kaikkonen wrote: August 4th, 2021, 5:03 pm
Sean Kasabuske wrote: August 4th, 2021, 4:59 pm As far as I can see, it's only a clash if one refuses to see the text as an example of the PPA.
I would put it vice versa: it's a PPA only if one refuses to see the clash. And that's our main problem: which way is it?
Sorry, but that makes no sense to me.

~Sean
by Sean Kasabuske
August 4th, 2021, 4:59 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 35732

Re: John 8:58

But your comments are what I’ve been saying all along. (Referring to Barry's comments.) This is interesting, because I was perplexed about what Barry said, too, until now when I read it again carefully. He says the aspect of the infinitive follows essentially the same rule as participles -- an aori...
by Sean Kasabuske
August 4th, 2021, 4:46 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 35732

Re: John 8:58

Ok…then what is it? I asked you for a translation and you pointed me to the standard translations. Can we really call the standard translation a "translation"? All it has is English words used in place of the Greek, with the text left at the interlinear stage. I don't call that a "tr...
by Sean Kasabuske
August 4th, 2021, 3:13 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 35732

Re: John 8:58

P.S. About the lack of comparable examples, I'll repeat what I've offered on other forums: How many examples can we expect to find that are grammatically parallel to a text in which a man claims to have been in existence since before some ancient ancestor was born? This sounds sarcastic and gives a...
by Sean Kasabuske
August 4th, 2021, 10:58 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 35732

Re: John 8:58

I have been in existence since before Abraham was born What are the possible ways of saying that in Koine? That's in interesting and important question, but... BTW, no need to oil up and flex by pointing out that my knowledge of Greek grammar is incomplete. I readily admit as much, as would many pe...
by Sean Kasabuske
August 4th, 2021, 7:02 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 35732

Re: John 8:58

Ok, I've seen a lot of back and forth without much support for the view that John 8:58 is an example of a PPA. (I think that the text is so clearly an example of the PPA idiom that it should itself serve as an indisputable example and thereby neutralize the part of Wallace's counter argument based o...
by Sean Kasabuske
August 1st, 2021, 9:54 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 35732

Re: John 8:58

But here's one well-known example: πρὸ τοῦ ὄρη γενηθῆναι καὶ πλασθῆναι τὴν γῆν καὶ τὴν οἰκουμένην καὶ ἀπὸ τοῦ αἰῶνος ἕως τοῦ αἰῶνος σὺ εἶ . Which is syntactically very similar to: εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς, Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί . But I am also very curious about the Septuagi...
by Sean Kasabuske
July 18th, 2021, 3:29 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Question About Accents: Syntactical Implications of εἰμι verses εἰμί
Replies: 6
Views: 3495

Question About Accents: Syntactical Implications of εἰμι verses εἰμί

Greetings, A friend of mine has suggested that a distinction in interpretation can be inferred by reference to the accents used with εἰμι vs. εἰμί. His assertion goes something like this: 1. When the final accent is absent, so that you have εἰμι (e.g. John 8:28), then that means that there is a synt...
by Sean Kasabuske
December 9th, 2019, 7:13 pm
Forum: Writing Greek
Topic: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
Replies: 19
Views: 14983

Re: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan

I was attempting to offer Barry a compliment via the use of hyperbole. If this now has to become a thread about how poorly I communicate, then just delete the entire thing and let's move on. Don't worry about it, it's fine, you asked a legitimate question which hopefully has been answered despite t...

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