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by tghagen
April 23rd, 2025, 9:47 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Introduction
Replies: 2
Views: 9159

Re: Introduction

My initial reaction, having read the Greek, is that the nit-picky exactness of how one translates the Greek does not matter. The main point is "He is not here, for He has risen, Alleluia!" Shirley Rollinson PS - if you want to study some more Greek, at your own pace, and reading parts of ...
by tghagen
April 19th, 2025, 9:55 am
Forum: Other
Topic: σουδάριον in John 20.7
Replies: 9
Views: 22308

Re: σουδάριον in John 20.7

Thank you, Jonathan Robie, for this analysis. I, too, already preferred the second interpretation. Now I know that from the linguistic point of view it has, if not certainty, at least justification. Evidently, we are not meant to know the "mechanics" of how Jesus rose. That is probably bes...
by tghagen
April 18th, 2025, 10:33 am
Forum: Other
Topic: σουδάριον in John 20.7
Replies: 9
Views: 22308

Re: σουδάριον in John 20.7

If I have understood the words correctly, then 1. It's χωρὶς which creates the translation "separate" (contra Jean above). 2. The difference may come from how χωρὶς ἐντετυλιγμένον is interpreted. It could be possible to take it as tightly connected, χωρὶς ἐντετυλιγμένον = folded to be sep...
by tghagen
April 18th, 2025, 10:32 am
Forum: Other
Topic: σουδάριον in John 20.7
Replies: 9
Views: 22308

Re: σουδάριον in John 20.7

If I have understood the words correctly, then 1. It's χωρὶς which creates the translation "separate" (contra Jean above). 2. The difference may come from how χωρὶς ἐντετυλιγμένον is interpreted. It could be possible to take it as tightly connected, χωρὶς ἐντετυλιγμένον = folded to be sep...
by tghagen
April 18th, 2025, 5:51 am
Forum: Other
Topic: σουδάριον in John 20.7
Replies: 9
Views: 22308

Re: σουδάριον in John 20.7

I was thinking that the idea of "separate" comes from the word χωρὶς.
by tghagen
April 17th, 2025, 6:31 am
Forum: Other
Topic: σουδάριον in John 20.7
Replies: 9
Views: 22308

σουδάριον in John 20.7

I included this question in my Introduction, but then I thought that it might not get seen there, so I'll repeat it here. I hope this doesn't create any confusion. I have a question about John 20.7: “καὶ τὸ σουδάριον, ὃ ἦν ἐπὶ τῆς κεφαλῆς αὐτοῦ, οὐ μετὰ τῶν ὀθονίων κείμενον ἀλλὰ χωρὶς ἐντετυλιγμένον...
by tghagen
April 16th, 2025, 9:05 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Introduction
Replies: 2
Views: 9159

Introduction

Actually, I am returning to the Forum after a somewhat lengthy absence. I couldn't remember my password and the password reset didn't seem to work, so I had to re-register with a different email address. I live in Livorno, Italy where I am one of the lay preachers in the local Baptist church. I have...

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