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by Stephen Carlson
July 9th, 2020, 8:52 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 22
Views: 448

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

By the way, the presence of the article in 1 Thess 1:10 is a hard text-critical problem (hence my interest in getting a good grasp of the issue), and if we can understand the articulation of prepositional objects better, then we can evaluate the intrinsic probabilities for the reading better. I hav...
by Stephen Carlson
July 9th, 2020, 8:44 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 22
Views: 448

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

The Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek (2019, p. 328 ff.) is a bit clearer with the article in general. *** It doesn't mention fixed expressions or prepositional phrases at all. All in all, Siebenthal is still much more useful for the NT students, even though it's more confusing at first. I was g...
by Stephen Carlson
July 9th, 2020, 8:16 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 22
Views: 448

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Though it is often a faux pas in linguistic description to appeal to speaker's choice, one has to wonder if the usage or non-usage of the article in (at least certain) prepositional phrases in certain instances was heavily influenced by the personal preferences of the speaker/writer? I think for th...
by Stephen Carlson
July 9th, 2020, 7:55 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 22
Views: 448

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Most of the time "from the dead" with ἐκ is anarthrous in the NT. Exceptions (there may be more): I Thess 1:10 καὶ ἀναμένειν τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῶν οὐρανῶν, ὃν ἤγειρεν ἐκ τῶν νεκρῶν , Ἰησοῦν τὸν ῥυόμενον ἡμᾶς ἐκ τῆς ὀργῆς τῆς ἐρχομένης. Colossians 1:18 καὶ αὐτός ἐστιν ἡ κεφαλὴ τοῦ σώματος τῆς ἐκκλησ...
by Stephen Carlson
July 9th, 2020, 7:48 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 22
Views: 448

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

I think it's quite stretch to say it means anything other than what English means by "the dead." But to complicate things further, I see these types of prepositional phrases being used adverbially, and perhaps there was felt no need of the article in prepositional adverbial phrases, though in most ...
by Stephen Carlson
July 9th, 2020, 7:42 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 22
Views: 448

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Why would this be interesting? They look pretty much predictable after all. Identifiable bodies of water are articular (although IMO in Ex 2:10 it's not clearly identifiable in the context of the speaker's utterance). I think that holds up and it is a vote for identifiability. (I'll note that the b...
by Stephen Carlson
July 9th, 2020, 7:31 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 22
Views: 448

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

I agree with Stephen on pretty much all about Siebenthal. It's somewhat a disappointment because it doesn't seem to give a thought to possible linguistic explanations to many phenomena. Maybe there's just not enough knowledge about the article that he could say something which isn't unsure or specu...
by Stephen Carlson
July 9th, 2020, 2:06 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 22
Views: 448

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Interesting observations, certainly. Of course, I have to say it -- Latin. No article at all, definite or indefinite. I wonder how Latin speakers in ancient times conceptualized the article? Did they say "What is that thing actually doing?" I suspect not, they just learned how to use the language. ...
by Stephen Carlson
July 8th, 2020, 10:07 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 22
Views: 448

Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

In a bit of an experiment with using the forum, I will, from time to time, excerpt statements from various Greek grammars on the particular topic of the articulation of prepositional objects. I will give some thoughts as they occur. You are welcome to give yours. First up is the recently translated ...
by Stephen Carlson
July 2nd, 2020, 5:51 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Mark 2:3 - could missing antecedent be intentional?
Replies: 14
Views: 444

Re: Mark 2:3 - could missing antecedent be intentional?

This is usually thought of as an impersonal use of the third-person plural. You're right that it is not anaphoric. It seems to be a feature of Mark's style. Is there a good write-up somewhere? I'm not aware of one, beyond comments in commentaries with that term ("impersonal"), and I thank John Kend...

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