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by Stephen Nelson
August 16th, 2019, 6:52 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48606

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

I'm answering my own question with information I found in "A Greek Verb Revisited", which I should have finished reading before starting this discussion :lol: Here is what Peter J. Gentry says in his article (Chapter 11, Pg. 359), "The Function of the Augment in Hellenistic Greek", citing "The Evol...
by Stephen Nelson
August 16th, 2019, 5:53 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48606

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

I'm answering my own question with information I found in "A Greek Verb Revisited", which I should have finished reading before starting this discussion :lol: Here is what Peter J. Gentry says in his article (Chapter 11, Pg. 359), "The Function of the Augment in Hellenistic Greek", citing "The Evolu...
by Stephen Nelson
August 14th, 2019, 2:53 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48606

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Sorry, I think I may be abusing this forum by prolonging this closed discussion. But I'd like to ask more questions, in case anyone is still following this... So far the feedback has been very helpful. Another reference that I keep encountering is to the fact that there exist other 'tenseless' langu...
by Stephen Nelson
August 9th, 2019, 12:15 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48606

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Perhaps someone could help me answer one more question. I keep hearing Constantine Campbell and others repeatedly reference a statistic about verbs in the aorist, without substantiation as to what the data are based on - Paraphrasing: "Aorist indicatives refer to the past 85% of the time." And, by c...
by Stephen Nelson
August 7th, 2019, 4:50 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48606

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

PS: the ancients also rejected the theory, preemptively. The ancient grammarians were the ones who came up with the temporal definitions of indicative time, on their own, and as mother-tongue speakers. A citation to that sources would be amazing, if available. Thanks! See here for a discussion of o...
by Stephen Nelson
August 6th, 2019, 7:49 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48606

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

RandallButh wrote:
August 6th, 2019, 1:07 pm

PS: the ancients also rejected the theory, preemptively. The ancient grammarians were the ones who came up with the temporal definitions of indicative time, on their own, and as mother-tongue speakers.
A citation to that sources would be amazing, if available. Thanks!
by Stephen Nelson
August 5th, 2019, 2:39 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48606

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Here are Campbell's examples from Basics of Verbal Aspect in Biblical Greek: Future Aorist More commonly, the aorist tense-form may be used in future-referring contexts. [...] Mark 11:24 διὰ τοῦτο λέγω ὑμῖν, πάντα ὅσα προσεύχεσθε καὶ αἰτεῖσθε, πιστεύετε ὅτι ἐλάβετε , καὶ ἔσται ὑμῖν. Therefore, I tel...
by Stephen Nelson
August 5th, 2019, 2:09 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48606

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

The Syntax and Semantics of the Verb in Classical Greek An excellent and extremely systematic approach that carefully considers the interplay of verbs acting together in context. Lots of examples. Short. Uses examples from Classical Greek, but with translations to make them easy to follow. The Camb...
by Stephen Nelson
August 4th, 2019, 1:57 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48606

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

BTW, do you already know about "Greek Verb Revisited"? https://www.logos.com/product/53614/the-greek-verb-revisited-a-fresh-approach-for-biblical-exegesis https://www.amazon.com/Greek-Verb-Revisited-Approach-Biblical/dp/1577996364 There are quite many discussions in this forum about tense and aspec...
by Stephen Nelson
August 3rd, 2019, 9:39 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48606

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

However, in the context we can see that Jesus is already being betrayed by Judas. It's already happening, but will be completed in the future. What about 1 Thessalonians 2:16? Paul says: "... ἔφθασεν δὲ ἐπ᾽ αὐτοὺς (τοὺς Ἰουδαίας) ἡ ὀργὴ εἰς τέλος" NASB: But wrath has come upon them (the Jews) to th...

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