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by Jonathan Robie
June 1st, 2020, 1:29 pm
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6
Replies: 29
Views: 1992

Re: συνεχύθη in Acts 2.6

So my conclusion is that the phrase συνεχύθη τὸ πλῆθος should be translated with the sense of the multitude of people of different tongues mixing together. Are you saying that when they each heard the believers speaking in their own language, that caused them to mix together? Why? That doesn't make...
by Jonathan Robie
May 30th, 2020, 3:00 pm
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: Luther's translation of αἰών/αἰώνιος
Replies: 20
Views: 1592

Re: Luther's translation of αἰών/αἰώνιος

Jean Putmans wrote:
May 30th, 2020, 2:10 am
Attached: Kittel Lemma αιων Section C
That's still under copyright (in this English translation, at least), and that many pages is a bit beyond fair use, so I'm afraid I had to delete it.
by Jonathan Robie
May 28th, 2020, 10:59 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: εὐθύς in Mark
Replies: 6
Views: 617

Re: ευθυς in Mark

Where to start ... there's an extensive literature on this. You can probably find references from various commentaries on Mark, or writings from the Discourse Analysis world by people like Runge and Levinsohn, Randall Buth has written on this, so has Rod Decker ... For Randall's take, see Distinguis...
by Jonathan Robie
May 28th, 2020, 8:59 am
Forum: Resources
Topic: Biblingo - communicative instruction at an affordable price
Replies: 6
Views: 921

Re: Biblingo - communicative instruction at an affordable price

I'm guessing you mean that Biblingo uses aural/oral and visual methods to teach. I'm wondering, do they use Hebrew to tell a story, or give directions, or exchange information? If they are managing to really teach Greek and Hebrew online and via communication, I want to look into it more. [/size][/...
by Jonathan Robie
May 23rd, 2020, 9:09 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 2007

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

The average NT student with seminary level Greek will not get it. Can you translate? What difference does this make in our understanding of the text, our exegesis of the text, and how we might explain it to a congregation or or Bible study? I'm not sure, but let me try. This thread seems to be disc...
by Jonathan Robie
May 23rd, 2020, 8:32 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 2007

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

I have both Levinsohn's Discourse Analysis, which identifies left-dislocation, and a set of syntax trees. I need to do a little monkeying to make their reference systems compatible, but I can probably get to that in the next week and give this a shot. There's some danger that this is specific enoug...
by Jonathan Robie
May 22nd, 2020, 4:32 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 2007

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

So the hypothesis to test is purely about word order, and under this hypothesis A ἐστιν B => A is the predicate, A B ἐστιν => B is the predicate, and any nominative finite form of ἐστιν will do? Almost. You ask a very good question. Under the framework that Mike and I have been working with for a n...
by Jonathan Robie
May 21st, 2020, 2:24 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 2007

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

Stephen Carlson wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 3:36 am
Personally, I think that the topic structure of the discourse is more important than ambiguous syntactic clues, so I am leaning toward Wallace's "other hand," but I'm curious about people's thoughts.
I agree. But I'm happy to do queries if someone wants to propose syntactic clues here ...
by Jonathan Robie
May 21st, 2020, 2:21 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 2007

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

I updated this to give an overview of the questions as I currently understand them, looking at word order and providing a separate section limited to clitic forms.
Clitics and Predicates.pdf
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by Jonathan Robie
May 21st, 2020, 1:15 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 2007

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

Here are some examples where some form of ἐστιν occurs before the predicate (S ἐστιν P, ἐστιν P S, ἐστιν S P, ἐστιν P S) . I restricted this to cases where (1) there is an explicit subject, and (2) the subject is not an interrogative. I did not restrict this to clitic forms because of the John 1:1 e...

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