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by Stephen Carlson
March 13th, 2012, 11:58 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3
Replies: 36
Views: 7729

Re: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3

Καὶ ἐν τούτῳ γινώσκομεν ὅτι ἐγνώκαμεν αὐτόν, ἐὰν τὰς ἐντολὰς αὐτοῦ τηρῶμεν. What is the force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν? Robertson says it's an "intensive perfect." How would the meaning be different from an aorist, say ἔγνωμεν? I'm one of those who are skeptical of any regular clear disti...
by Stephen Carlson
March 13th, 2012, 11:50 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3
Replies: 36
Views: 7729

Re: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3

I don't have any idea what an "intensive perfect" could mean, but I think the perfect fits much better than an aorist, because it is natural to describe "our knowledge of God", which should be a present state. The aorist on the other hand would suggest a past event, which isn't ...
by Stephen Carlson
March 13th, 2012, 10:04 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3
Replies: 36
Views: 7729

Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3

1 John 2:3 wrote:Καὶ ἐν τούτῳ γινώσκομεν ὅτι ἐγνώκαμεν αὐτόν, ἐὰν τὰς ἐντολὰς αὐτοῦ τηρῶμεν.
What is the force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν? Robertson says it's an "intensive perfect." How would the meaning be different from an aorist, say ἔγνωμεν?

Stephen
by Stephen Carlson
March 12th, 2012, 8:45 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Romans 4:25 - antecedent of ὃς
Replies: 14
Views: 3699

Re: Romans 4:25 - antecedent of ὃς

Jonathan Robie wrote:Could anyone give an equally good answer without meta-language? Or with meta-language in Greek?
I'd say it's impossible because your question included the meta-language term "antecedent."

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by Stephen Carlson
March 12th, 2012, 2:28 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Romans 4:25 - antecedent of ὃς
Replies: 14
Views: 3699

Re: Romans 4:25 - antecedent of ὃς

Mark Lightman wrote:The case of the relative pronoun (ἡ πτώσις τοῦ ὑποτακτικοῦ ἄρθρου) agrees not with its antecedent (unless attraction occurs) but is determined by its function in its own clause.
Your use of meta-language to explain this point is spot on! :D

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by Stephen Carlson
March 11th, 2012, 10:02 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Greek Composition
Replies: 12
Views: 22587

Re: Greek Composition

So is learner early in their studies (first or second year) better off focusing on reading than doing composition? I've seen that a lot of the primers have English to Greek exercises. Are these ineffectual? I assign English-to-Greek exercises to my students because I think they're helpful. I don't ...
by Stephen Carlson
March 8th, 2012, 2:05 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Pronunciation of Consecutive Identical Vowel Sounds
Replies: 8
Views: 18540

RE: Pronunciation of Consecutive Identical Vowel Sounds

I'm not in the Buth camp, so take this for what it's worth. I believe that the spoken language betrays considerable variation in these contexts, particularly when speech is fast and fluid, especially compared to the written language. Modern Greek appears to have standardize some of these as stated i...
by Stephen Carlson
March 8th, 2012, 12:50 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Aorist Active Infinitive of γινσωκω
Replies: 8
Views: 6877

Re: Aorist Active Infinitive of γινσωκω

I'm working off of "Basics of Biblical Greek" by Mounce. He outlines the infinitive endings in Ch 32 p. 307 (2nd Edition Mounce), and in Ch 32 p. 299 (3rd Edition Mounce) OK, thanks. I've got the 3d ed. of Mounce, so all my cites are to that. It is true that p.299 of ch. 32 lays out a cha...
by Stephen Carlson
March 8th, 2012, 12:24 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Three Methods for Helping Beginners Learn to read Hel. I.1.
Replies: 25
Views: 7077

Re: Three Methods for Helping Beginners Learn to read Hel. I

Since you're not a fan of meta-language, you can paraphrase the function of preposing τὰς ναῦς as περὶ τῶν νεῶν/πλοίων. So, are you are proposing that we paraphrase Hellenica I.i.18, with something like: περὶ μὲν οὖν τῶν πλοίων, ᾤχοντο οἱ Ἀθηναῖοι ἄγοντες πάντα εἰς Προκόννησον πλὴν τῶν Συρακοσίων. ...
by Stephen Carlson
March 8th, 2012, 12:06 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Aorist Active Infinitive of γινσωκω
Replies: 8
Views: 6877

Re: Aorist Active Infinitive of γινσωκω

Hi Glenn, Carl's explanation is correct, and to my mind clear. If you're still struggling over it, I think it might be helpful if you could point out which reference works you're using and if I've got them I'll try to find where or if they discuss athematic second aorists--what Carl calls third aori...

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