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by Jonathan Robie
July 28th, 2023, 12:05 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: εὐδόκησα in Matthew 3:17
Replies: 16
Views: 4468

Re: εὐδόκησα in Matthew 3:17

And second (and please keep it simple!) when is it OK to translate an Aorist as a Present (or Future)? Ingressive Aorists are a common example. There are also gnomic aorists, e.g. 1 Pet. 1:24 - ἐξηράνθη ὁ χόρτος, καὶ τὸ ἄνθος ἐξέπεσεν. You don't translate that "the grass withered and the flowe...
by Jonathan Robie
July 28th, 2023, 9:47 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: εὐδόκησα in Matthew 3:17
Replies: 16
Views: 4468

Re: εὐδόκησα in Matthew 3:17

The verb is stative, like with βασιλευω which can mean "begin ruling as king, become king, ascend to the throne" in aorist. It has the beginning of the state in view. This of course may raise theological questions like "well, how come he wasn't pleased at some point in time, that's i...
by Jonathan Robie
July 27th, 2023, 9:42 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
Replies: 13
Views: 5590

Re: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)

In a recent discussion by email with some others, it was noted that lhm (forgive the transliteration) in Hebrew and ἄρτοs in Greek both really have a semantic center more in the general idea of "food" rather than "bread" in particular. Hebrew more so than Greek, although the Heb...
by Jonathan Robie
July 26th, 2023, 12:02 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
Replies: 13
Views: 5590

Re: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)

Looking at the Greek, I would group it like this: 1. Address: Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς· Three petitions about God's name, Kingdom, and will, with strongly parallel wording: ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου· ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου· γενηθήτω τὸ θέλημά σου ,       ὡς ἐν οὐρανῷ καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς· 2. Three petitions...
by Jonathan Robie
July 24th, 2023, 4:58 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
Replies: 13
Views: 5590

Re: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)

Interesting observation. I suppose the punctuation boils down to presuppositions about the interpretation. Your interpretation certainly gives me a new perspective (as one who believes "the gospel" is the coming of the kingdom to earth, not the coming of a payment for sins). When I wrote ...
by Jonathan Robie
July 24th, 2023, 1:24 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Online parsing tool?
Replies: 11
Views: 5027

Re: Online parsing tool?

Install the browser extension from Alpheios. http://alpheios.net/pages/tools/ Then double-click the Greek word and a box will appear with the analysis of the form. For example, at https://www.loebclassics.com/view/select_papyri_private_affairs_letters/1932/pb_LCL266.311.xml?result=2&rskey=si57Y...
by Jonathan Robie
July 23rd, 2023, 2:23 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?
Replies: 19
Views: 6320

Re: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?

IF I remember right, he [Steve Runge] uses a graphical illustration of: this και this και this και this και this. this δε this δε this δε this δε this That's really helpful, Mike. It's a lot clearer than all the fancy words ;-> I'll have to remember to use this next time I answer a question like th...
by Jonathan Robie
July 23rd, 2023, 2:20 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Online parsing tool?
Replies: 11
Views: 5027

Re: Online parsing tool?

If you need a general purpose tool that works with texts that you can't find an analysis for, Large Language Models do a pretty good job these days. I just tried this with ChatGPT, it didn't quite figure out the lemma, but it got there with a little help: Screen Shot 2023-07-23 at 14.09.07.png OK, i...
by Jonathan Robie
July 23rd, 2023, 2:15 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Online parsing tool?
Replies: 11
Views: 5027

Re: Online parsing tool?

My question here is, can anyone recommend a good (and easy to use!) online parsing tool where I could type in a Greek word form and the site would identify the underlying word and parse it like Mounce does? I'm thinking of a tool that would cover not just Koine but also classical Greek as I've been...
by Jonathan Robie
July 22nd, 2023, 6:23 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
Replies: 13
Views: 5590

Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)

I was surprised by the punctuation used in some critical editions of the Lord's Prayer. In this edition , the Greek Orthodox Church puts an άνω τελεία at the end of the first line, and a blank line separates the first two lines from the next three: Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς· ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σ...

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