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by Barry Hofstetter
January 26th, 2022, 11:15 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
Replies: 24
Views: 7409

Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"

The modern scholarly consensus is that the two words are essential synonyms, and that John is simply switching for stylistic purposes. I’ve never found the language of “essential synonyms” and “stylistic” to be very helpful. Synonyms should have the same meaning, but “essential” negates that in som...
by Barry Hofstetter
January 25th, 2022, 1:07 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
Replies: 24
Views: 7409

Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"

Dear Barry, Thank you very much for your reply! I check many English translations and find that this sentence is translated as "Jesus said to Peter the third time". I was told by English linguists that it just means that it was the third time that Jesus said to Peter and this sentence wou...
by Barry Hofstetter
January 24th, 2022, 3:34 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
Replies: 24
Views: 7409

Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"

Dear the one who is concerned, I am a beginer of Greek and wondering whether the greek grammar of John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)" demands that Jesus said the same content at the third time as the first two? Or does the place of "the third t...
by Barry Hofstetter
January 20th, 2022, 11:23 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Semantic Range: רוּחַ, πνεῦμα
Replies: 13
Views: 4149

Re: Semantic Range: רוּחַ, πνεῦμα

I suppose that the ordinary word for wind is ἄνεμος and that the use of rarer terms for it, like πνεῦμα, would be marked in a way that רוח is not. Perhaps John 3:8, τὸ πνεῦμα ὅπου θέλει πνεῖ καὶ τὴν φωνὴν αὐτοῦ ἀκούεις, ἀλλʼ οὐκ οἶδας πόθεν ἔρχεται καὶ ποῦ ὑπάγει· οὕτως ἐστὶν πᾶς ὁ γεγεννημένος ἐκ ...
by Barry Hofstetter
January 19th, 2022, 1:11 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Semantic Range: רוּחַ, πνεῦμα
Replies: 13
Views: 4149

Re: Semantic Range: רוּחַ, πνεῦμα

And BDAG: πνεῦμα, ατος, τό (πνέω; Aeschyl., Pre-Socr., Hdt.+. On the history of the word s. Rtzst., Mysterienrel.3 308ff). ① air in movement, blowing, breathing (even the glowing exhalations of a volcanic crater: Diod S 5, 7, 3) ⓐ wind (Aeschyl. et al.; LXX, EpArist, Philo; Jos., Ant. 2, 343; 349; S...
by Barry Hofstetter
January 19th, 2022, 1:09 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Semantic Range: רוּחַ, πνεῦμα
Replies: 13
Views: 4149

Re: Semantic Range: רוּחַ, πνεῦμα

Presenting the lexical evidence: —1. רוּהַ breeze, breath: —a. Ezk 37:5, 8, 10 Is 42:5 (or as 6), רוּחַ אֱלוֹהַּ בְּאַפִּי the breath of God (is) in my nose Jb 27:3; —b. air (for breathing), breath Jr 2:24 14:6 (with שָׁאַף); שָׁבָה רוּחוּ meaning he revived, he recovered himself Ju 15:19 1S 30:12; ...
by Barry Hofstetter
January 12th, 2022, 10:41 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive
Replies: 27
Views: 9666

Re: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive

Stephen Carlson wrote: January 10th, 2022, 6:48 pm
Barry's not quoting the part of Smyth most relevant to the so-called Hebrew Genitive. That is the genitive of quality §§ 1320-1, and it has much more limited distribution in Classical than in the NT.
Thanks for pointing that out.
by Barry Hofstetter
January 10th, 2022, 11:37 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive
Replies: 27
Views: 9666

Re: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive

Τοιοῦτο πολλῶν ἐστιν ἦθος ἀνθρώπων... "Such is the custom of many men..." It's a genitive, but it is not a noun that serves in place of a simple adjective. Τhat could have been ἦθος ἀνθρώπων = ἀνθρώπινον ἦθος, but not really *πολι-ἀνθρώπινον ἦθος I think you just split a hair, Randall, bu...
by Barry Hofstetter
January 10th, 2022, 11:10 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive
Replies: 27
Views: 9666

Re: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive

Or you can quote a classical grammar, i.e.: One of these days I will start with those; I just keep forgetting! It doesn’t however tell me whether this usage saw a major bump in frequency in the NT and Septuagint which might be attributed to Semitic influence. I'm not sure either. What I can tell yo...
by Barry Hofstetter
January 10th, 2022, 10:50 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive
Replies: 27
Views: 9666

Re: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive

Only way I can think of is looking up in a given corpus instances of nouns that have adjectival cognates and seeing whether or not they are found modifying another noun. Not the quickest thing to do Or you can quote a classical grammar, i.e.: THE GENITIVE PROPER WITH NOUNS (ADNOMINAL GENITIVE) 1290...

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