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by Philemon Zachariou
August 5th, 2011, 8:44 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
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Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Mike, I am sure it must have occurred to you that any increase in the consistency of the confusion of η and ι in later (Hellenistic) times might have something to do with an increase (a) in population and therefore in the written records, (b) in the greater numbers of semi-literate writers who “lear...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 5th, 2011, 3:57 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 18945

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Randall, You describe H in post-403 BC as a long low/mid front vowel (εε)—a long counterpart, as you call it, of ε. In addition, you assign quantity or length to it. There is not a single word in classical literature about any vowel length in speech. Such ideas were introduced by Atticists in the p...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 5th, 2011, 2:06 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 18945

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Mike, The Athenians in Socrates’ day confused ει, η and ι. The question then arises, If the Athenians already had ι, why did they need another letter for the same sound? The introduction of η (not as h), already widespread among the other dialects as a vowel, was at first intended to be used as a co...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 4th, 2011, 5:41 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 18945

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Randall, looking at your comment above, let me comment: If Η in the mid-5th c. BC was pronounced the same as Ε(ε), then there would have been no need for the use of Η in place of the already existing letter Ε for the ε sound. At that point in time Η(=ι) was still in the process of being officially ...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 4th, 2011, 8:53 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 18945

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Since so much weight is being put on this statement of Plato, can you provide it in a paragraph of context? It's from Cratylus 418c. Here's some context: {ΕΡΜ.} Ἀληθῆ λέγεις· ἀλλὰ δὴ τὸ “ζημιῶδες” τί ἂν εἴη; {ΣΩ.} Τί δ’ ἂν εἴη ποτὲ “ζημιῶδες”; θέασαι, ὦ Ἑρμόγενες, ὡς ἐγὼ ἀληθῆ λέγω λέγων ὅτι προστι...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 3rd, 2011, 6:28 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 18945

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

I am glad you took the pain to quote Socrates in full. The meaning of μεταστρέφουσιν tells it all.

Philemon Zachariou
by Philemon Zachariou
August 3rd, 2011, 11:33 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 18945

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Randall, looking at your comment above, let me comment: If Η in the mid-5th c. BC was pronounced the same as Ε(ε), then there would have been no need for the use of Η in place of the already existing letter Ε for the ε sound. At that point in time Η(=ι) was still in the process of being officially ...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 2nd, 2011, 3:25 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 18945

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Attic Greek often used E for H and E. This would suggest that H was not /i/ at that time. Do we have OMEROS spelled as such? I haven't checked for this, it just seems like it would occur. Or SEMERON TEMERON. All of these would support the common wisdom that E was used for both a short-time and long...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 2nd, 2011, 12:35 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 18945

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Randall, You said that Caragounis' book (1) does not show a reliable linguistic handling of the data, (2) that Caragounis recognizes that he is citing isolated instances of examples that only become clear norms a few centuries later, and (3) the book does not overturn the chronological conclusions o...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 1st, 2011, 9:16 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 18945

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Friend, the samples I posted are just that—samples. But be informed that there are thousands of pre-Hellenistic inscriptions in marble and stone that have been classified, dated, and recorded in Greece and elsewhere, not a few of which I have personally examined, but for which I saw no need to have ...

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