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by R. Perkins
March 10th, 2018, 4:12 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: λαλεῖν in I Cor. 14.34, 35?
Replies: 6
Views: 2698

Re: λαλεῖν in I Cor. 14.34, 35?

The reason this is a difficult passage has to do with broader hermeneutical and theological concerns. The Greek is actually quite straightforward, but what often happens with passages that have become theologically charged is that people try to do strange things with the Greek in order to get the p...
by R. Perkins
March 9th, 2018, 3:04 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: λαλεῖν in I Cor. 14.34, 35?
Replies: 6
Views: 2698

λαλεῖν in I Cor. 14.34, 35?

⸂αἱ γυναῖκες ⸆ ἐν ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις σιγάτωσαν· οὐ γὰρ ⸀ἐπιτρέπεται αὐταῖς λαλεῖν, ἀλλʼ ⸁ὑποτασσέσθωσαν ⸇, καθὼς καὶ ὁ νόμος λέγει⸃. εἰ δέ τι ⸀1μαθεῖν θέλουσιν, ἐν οἴκῳ τοὺς ἰδίους ἄνδρας ἐπερωτάτωσαν· αἰσχρὸν γάρ oἐστιν γυναικὶ λαλεῖν ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ. (NA28) Let your women keep silence in the churches: fo...
by R. Perkins
February 25th, 2018, 12:54 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: The Viability of Granville Sharp's Rules 5 & 6?
Replies: 2
Views: 6396

Re: The Viability of Granville Sharp's Rules 5 & 6?

There is extensive discussion concerning the misuse of Granville Sharp in conversation with D.A. Carson Exegetical fallacies 1984 and S.E. Porter found in: Richard A. Hoyle, Scenarios, discourse and translation. SIL 2008 http://www.sil.org/silepubs/Pubs/50670/50670_Hoyle_ScenariosDiscourseTranslati...
by R. Perkins
February 24th, 2018, 5:18 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: The Viability of Granville Sharp's Rules 5 & 6?
Replies: 2
Views: 6396

The Viability of Granville Sharp's Rules 5 & 6?

I just heard an apologists throwing around Greek appeal to these rules tonight & wanted to get your angle. It seems like I recall reading a stinging refutation to these rules on this forum years ago by someone from Athens named Vasileios Tsialas (?). Regardless, was just curious what your take o...
by R. Perkins
February 20th, 2018, 4:22 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: How to Identify a Permissive/Causative Middle Voice Verb?
Replies: 13
Views: 5240

Re: How to Identify a Permissive/Causative Middle Voice Verb?

But I would submit that this exercise in semantics is beside point of the middle, which is in fact to deprofile the agent. Is it really "besides the point"? But you're right about its function in discourse. Another misused label, infamous in this forum, is "divine passive". Basi...
by R. Perkins
February 14th, 2018, 5:23 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: How to Identify a Permissive/Causative Middle Voice Verb?
Replies: 13
Views: 5240

Re: How to Identify a Permissive/Causative Middle Voice Verb?

Often when some people say "not a true a middle," what they mean is "not (directly) reflexive." But scholars of the middle have known for a long time that the reflexive is just one of several senses of the middle, and not the most frequent for that matter. So part of the problem...
by R. Perkins
February 12th, 2018, 4:48 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: How to Identify a Permissive/Causative Middle Voice Verb?
Replies: 13
Views: 5240

Re: How to Identify a Permissive/Causative Middle Voice Verb?

Wow. Just as I suspected. Although only Greek I (just beginning to tamper w. Greek II) - red flags are already going up when I hear assertions like this since I realize there's absolutely nothing in the actual morphology to demand this. However, as mentioned above, I think Wallace, Robertson, et al....
by R. Perkins
February 11th, 2018, 6:12 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: How to Identify a Permissive/Causative Middle Voice Verb?
Replies: 13
Views: 5240

How to Identify a Permissive/Causative Middle Voice Verb?

Hope this is an acceptable location to place this, but, just a quick question. I heard an assertion from a Greek student yesterday that κείρασθαι in I Cor. 11.6 appears as either a permissive or causative middle voice. Having only Greek I under my belt I am not clear on how to identify the various f...
by R. Perkins
January 15th, 2018, 9:13 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 7603

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

From the perspective of text linguistics and discourse analysis, clauses (B) and (C) are tied in with (A) and both flow from (A). (A) ὅτι καταβέβηκα ἀπὸ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ (B) οὐχ ἵνα ποιῶ τὸ θέλημα τὸ ἐμὸν (C) ἀλλὰ τὸ θέλημα τοῦ πέμψαντός με Here's one problem I see with his reasoning on the basis of syn...
by R. Perkins
January 15th, 2018, 9:07 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 7603

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

I said, "“From what I understand (again, I am only Greek II), it's important to remember that in substantive uses of the participle, the idea of time or even aspect is rather in the background. And this is a substantival participle, functioning as a noun, and that's really all it does. It isn'...

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