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by R. Perkins
January 15th, 2018, 9:01 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 10505

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

Okay, got it. I recently purchased Cambpell's work on verbal aspect: https://www.olivetree.com/store/product.php?productid=34141 I like Dr. Campbell's teaching style, but will definitely look into Rijksbaron. Just be aware that Campbell's understanding of the verb differs significantly from that of...
by R. Perkins
January 15th, 2018, 5:27 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 10505

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

If I understood correctly, the passages in boldface font in your previous posts were someone else's and you want to know what we think about it. Right? Yes, this is correct. Well, here's what I think about it: it's nonsense. Someone tries to prove his opinion by cleverly confusing us with verbose l...
by R. Perkins
January 15th, 2018, 12:50 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 10505

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

Robertson is hard to read, but an excellent source of examples to illustrate most things, and really quite good if you learn to read him. Not the first place to learn new concept, but perhaps a great place to look for the examples once you have read an easier explanation elsewhere. Find 2-3 grammar...
by R. Perkins
January 15th, 2018, 12:45 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 10505

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

[ Excellent! Incidentally, would y’all say that Robertson’s Grammar (Light from Ancient East) is still relative to biblical Greek in light of the Egyptian papyri? My Greek Proff. said yes since “we would all still be using Robertson if it weren’t for Dr. Wallace (& I would add Mounce, Carson, e...
by R. Perkins
January 15th, 2018, 12:02 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 10505

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

I said, "“From what I understand (again, I am only Greek II), it's important to remember that in substantive uses of the participle, the idea of time or even aspect is rather in the background. And this is a substantival participle, functioning as a noun, and that's really all it does. It isn't...
by R. Perkins
January 14th, 2018, 11:46 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 10505

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

Thank you all very much. Will take some time to digest this, and, I'm not attempting to drag this out, but am really trying to grapple w. this text. I actually just read a supposed exegetical refutation to some of the grammatical assertions made here that - if okay - I would like to glean your respo...
by R. Perkins
January 14th, 2018, 6:18 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 10505

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

A lot to soak in here. I have BDF in book form (wish I had the software), but, a bit intense for a (just beginning) Greek II student. Again, I find I have to read each portion slowly & several times to grasp it (& then reread it many times for the concept to sink in fully). Just to clarify ...
by R. Perkins
January 13th, 2018, 3:28 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 10505

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

But, slowly sinking in (as seems to be the case in general w. Greek for me)! That's how you learn languages. They sink in slowly over time. I think these two sections of Funk might be helpful, providing many more examples: THE PARTICIPLE IN NOMINAL WORD CLUSTERS THE CIRCUMSTANTIAL (ADVERBIAL) PARTI...
by R. Perkins
January 12th, 2018, 6:10 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 10505

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

That is, when I come to a specific text how would I tell if the participle is functioning substantivally or verbally? It's usually obvious when a participle is functioning as a noun or an adjective because it's part of a noun phrase, and it occurs where you would expect to find a noun or an adjecti...
by R. Perkins
January 11th, 2018, 7:36 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 10505

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

On what textual basis are y'all asserting that the aorist participle πέμψαντός is modifying ποιῶ and not καταβέβηκα? That is, when I come to a specific text how would I tell if the participle is functioning substantivally or verbally? I think nobody said it is "modifying" ποιῶ. "τοῦ ...

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