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by Jonathan Robie
July 23rd, 2023, 2:20 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Online parsing tool?
Replies: 11
Views: 5760

Re: Online parsing tool?

If you need a general purpose tool that works with texts that you can't find an analysis for, Large Language Models do a pretty good job these days. I just tried this with ChatGPT, it didn't quite figure out the lemma, but it got there with a little help: Screen Shot 2023-07-23 at 14.09.07.png OK, i...
by Jonathan Robie
July 23rd, 2023, 2:15 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Online parsing tool?
Replies: 11
Views: 5760

Re: Online parsing tool?

My question here is, can anyone recommend a good (and easy to use!) online parsing tool where I could type in a Greek word form and the site would identify the underlying word and parse it like Mounce does? I'm thinking of a tool that would cover not just Koine but also classical Greek as I've been...
by Jonathan Robie
July 22nd, 2023, 6:23 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
Replies: 13
Views: 6265

Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)

I was surprised by the punctuation used in some critical editions of the Lord's Prayer. In this edition , the Greek Orthodox Church puts an άνω τελεία at the end of the first line, and a blank line separates the first two lines from the next three: Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς· ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σ...
by Jonathan Robie
July 22nd, 2023, 9:45 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?
Replies: 19
Views: 6966

Re: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?

But my question is, is it possible to read it the way that the KJV has it? "nevertheless I live; yet not I,..." From my (admittedly dim) knowledge of Greek, what they have done is translated δὲ as "nevertheless," and then translated ζῶ as "I live;" and then looked at t...
by Jonathan Robie
July 20th, 2023, 4:33 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?
Replies: 19
Views: 6966

Re: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?

But my question is, is it possible to read it the way that the KJV has it? "nevertheless I live; yet not I,..." From my (admittedly dim) knowledge of Greek, what they have done is translated δὲ as "nevertheless," and then translated ζῶ as "I live;" and then looked at t...
by Jonathan Robie
July 20th, 2023, 1:17 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?
Replies: 19
Views: 6966

Re: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?

My background is in the 90s, I took college Greek classes, a year I believe. In other words, I know just enough to be dangerous. :) 1. {I} live 2. {I} no longer live 3. I no longer live Thanks. That helps me know how to answer your question. ζῶ οὐκέτι and ζῶ οὐκέτι ἐγώ each mean "I no longer l...
by Jonathan Robie
July 20th, 2023, 11:51 am
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Summary Table for Beginners
Replies: 4
Views: 1912

Re: Summary Table for Beginners

Thanks Jonathan. Mine was a summary of Mathewson (I should have cited my source) which seems to be saying a similar thing but in different ways. (Infinitives) As nouns they are singular in number (even with a plural "subject," e.g., ἐν τῳ λέγειν αὐτούς), neuter in gender (which is obvious...
by Jonathan Robie
July 20th, 2023, 11:40 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?
Replies: 19
Views: 6966

Re: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?

Let me remove the particle δέ and give you some phrases to consider. What does each of these mean?

1. ζῶ
2. ζῶ οὐκέτι
3. ζῶ οὐκέτι ἐγώ

I'll add δέ back later, linking it to other parts of the context.

P.S. What is your background in Greek?
by Jonathan Robie
July 20th, 2023, 10:53 am
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Summary Table for Beginners
Replies: 4
Views: 1912

Re: Summary Table for Beginners

Would you say this table is accurate? What else is missing from this table? I don't think the part about infinitives is accurate. I think you are conflating the "substantiver" with the infinitive. The infinitive is not neuter and singular, the substantiver is. 51.38 The neuter singular ar...
by Jonathan Robie
July 20th, 2023, 10:39 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?
Replies: 19
Views: 6966

Re: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?

Paul Rittman wrote: July 20th, 2023, 9:23 am I do have one more question, about the initial words of this verse—zo de ouketi ego.
How do you read this phrase? Can you ask your question in terms of the Greek words, not English translations?

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