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by Jonathan Robie
July 31st, 2023, 9:08 am
Forum: Books
Topic: Fresch - Discourse Markers in Early Koine Greek: Cognitive Functional Analysis and LXX Translation Technique
Replies: 19
Views: 11993

Re: Fresch - Discourse Markers in Early Koine Greek: Cognitive Functional Analysis and LXX Translation Technique

How much overlap does this book have with Discourse Features of NT Greek by Levinsohn? I am starting to work through this book. Of course, Levinsohn is NT and Fresch is LXX, but my question is whether the same principles are expounded? I would jump for the Fresch book, but the price tag makes me wi...
by Jonathan Robie
July 29th, 2023, 8:59 am
Forum: Books
Topic: Fresch - Discourse Markers in Early Koine Greek: Cognitive Functional Analysis and LXX Translation Technique
Replies: 19
Views: 11993

Re: Fresch - Discourse Markers in Early Koine Greek: Cognitive Functional Analysis and LXX Translation Technique

Have finished reading this book now. It truly is a great book, very highly informative about the respective Discourse Markers (DM) as used in the Papyri and LXX. Lots of new terminology to get to grips with if you're not used to this sort of book, but nothing overwhelming in my opinion. OK, I bough...
by Jonathan Robie
July 28th, 2023, 6:33 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: εὐδόκησα in Matthew 3:17
Replies: 16
Views: 5109

Re: εὐδόκησα in Matthew 3:17

As Dr. Seamas Macdonald has noted (blog, The Patrologist), translation is a higher order skill, not a lower order one. That is, it is not a skill that beginners have much of. And it often requires thinking about our own language at a level most of us don't. For instance, in English, would we really...
by Jonathan Robie
July 28th, 2023, 12:05 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: εὐδόκησα in Matthew 3:17
Replies: 16
Views: 5109

Re: εὐδόκησα in Matthew 3:17

And second (and please keep it simple!) when is it OK to translate an Aorist as a Present (or Future)? Ingressive Aorists are a common example. There are also gnomic aorists, e.g. 1 Pet. 1:24 - ἐξηράνθη ὁ χόρτος, καὶ τὸ ἄνθος ἐξέπεσεν. You don't translate that "the grass withered and the flowe...
by Jonathan Robie
July 28th, 2023, 9:47 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: εὐδόκησα in Matthew 3:17
Replies: 16
Views: 5109

Re: εὐδόκησα in Matthew 3:17

The verb is stative, like with βασιλευω which can mean "begin ruling as king, become king, ascend to the throne" in aorist. It has the beginning of the state in view. This of course may raise theological questions like "well, how come he wasn't pleased at some point in time, that's i...
by Jonathan Robie
July 27th, 2023, 9:42 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
Replies: 13
Views: 6264

Re: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)

In a recent discussion by email with some others, it was noted that lhm (forgive the transliteration) in Hebrew and ἄρτοs in Greek both really have a semantic center more in the general idea of "food" rather than "bread" in particular. Hebrew more so than Greek, although the Heb...
by Jonathan Robie
July 26th, 2023, 12:02 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
Replies: 13
Views: 6264

Re: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)

Looking at the Greek, I would group it like this: 1. Address: Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς· Three petitions about God's name, Kingdom, and will, with strongly parallel wording: ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου· ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου· γενηθήτω τὸ θέλημά σου ,       ὡς ἐν οὐρανῷ καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς· 2. Three petitions...
by Jonathan Robie
July 24th, 2023, 4:58 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)
Replies: 13
Views: 6264

Re: Punctuation in the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13)

Interesting observation. I suppose the punctuation boils down to presuppositions about the interpretation. Your interpretation certainly gives me a new perspective (as one who believes "the gospel" is the coming of the kingdom to earth, not the coming of a payment for sins). When I wrote ...
by Jonathan Robie
July 24th, 2023, 1:24 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Online parsing tool?
Replies: 11
Views: 5760

Re: Online parsing tool?

Install the browser extension from Alpheios. http://alpheios.net/pages/tools/ Then double-click the Greek word and a box will appear with the analysis of the form. For example, at https://www.loebclassics.com/view/select_papyri_private_affairs_letters/1932/pb_LCL266.311.xml?result=2&rskey=si57Y...
by Jonathan Robie
July 23rd, 2023, 2:23 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?
Replies: 19
Views: 6966

Re: What is purpose and meaning of τῇ in Gal 2:20?

IF I remember right, he [Steve Runge] uses a graphical illustration of: this και this και this και this και this. this δε this δε this δε this δε this That's really helpful, Mike. It's a lot clearer than all the fancy words ;-> I'll have to remember to use this next time I answer a question like th...

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