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διατελεῖν + ptc. Acts 27:33

Posted: September 28th, 2013, 12:53 am
by Stephen Hughes
Ἄχρι δὲ οὗ ἤμελλεν ἡμέρα (ἡμέρα ἤμελλεν) γίνεσθαι, παρεκάλει ὁ Παῦλος ἅπαντας μεταλαβεῖν τροφῆς, λέγων, Τεσσαρεσκαιδεκάτην σήμερον ἡμέραν προσδοκῶντες ἄσιτοι διατελεῖτε, μηδὲν (μηθὲν) προσλαβόμενοι.

Rather than using the Lucan literary διατελεῖν + ptc."continue" (doing something), what would a low register construction in the (colloquial) Koine to express the same meaning be?

Naturally, if it is useful to the main question, we may like to consider whether and how the διατελεῖτε relates to the ἄσιτοι as well.

Re: διατελεῖν + ptc. Acts 27:33

Posted: September 28th, 2013, 3:46 am
by RandallButh
Hmm--

πῶς διατελῶ ποιῶν ταῦτα; διατελῶ ποιῶν.

τάχα ἠδυναμην λέγειν
ἤμην ποιῶν ταῦτα,
ἀλλὰ προτιμῶ λέγειν
διετέλουν ποιῶν, διετέλεσα ποιῶν.

I like διατελεῖν ποιῶν.

With an implication of persistence one could also say ἐπιμένειν ποιῶν
John 8:7 ὡς δὲ ἐπέμενον ἐρωτῶντες αὐτόν
Acts 12:16 ὁ δὲ Πέτρος ἐπέμενεν κρούων·

Re: διατελεῖν + ptc. Acts 27:33

Posted: September 28th, 2013, 7:32 am
by Stephen Hughes
Are you using the literary λυσιτελεῖ τινί (colloquially) or just sticking with (the work-a-day) συμφέρει τινί?

Re: διατελεῖν + ptc. Acts 27:33

Posted: September 28th, 2013, 9:14 am
by RandallButh
διατελῶ μὲν χρώμενος τῷ συμφέρειν τινί,

περὶ δὲ τοῦ λυσιτελεῖν τινι, μειδιῶ ἀναγινώσκων

Re: διατελεῖν + ptc. Acts 27:33

Posted: September 28th, 2013, 12:42 pm
by Stephen Hughes
Εὐδόκησας μειδιᾶς; ἴσως νομίζεις νόστιμον εἶναι.

ἔχει τὸ διατελεῖν ποιῶν συχνότητα ἢ διάρκειαν ὡς βασικὴν (κυρίαν) ἔννοιαν;

(Is frequency or duration the basic (main) sense of διατελεῖν + ptc.?)
( ἴσως here = "perhaps" not "equally")
(διάρκεια "duration" not just "sufficiency" LSJ lacks a definition for this meaning but cf. LSJ διαρκέω I.2. Something like "enough to get you through")