Oddities in Luke 9:17 and Mark 6:43
Posted: November 17th, 2013, 4:11 pm
Mt. 14.20: ἦραν τὸ περισσεῦον τῶν κλασμάτων δώδεκα κοφίνους πλήρεις.
Mk. 6.43: SBL notes alternatives κλάσματα δώδεκα κοφίνων πληρώματα WH NIV ] κλασμάτων δώδεκα κοφίνους πληρώματα Treg; κλασμάτων δώδεκα κοφίνους πλήρεις RP.
Luke 9.17: ἤρθη τὸ περισσεῦσαν αὐτοῖς κλασμάτων κόφινοι δώδεκα. Vulg Luke 9:17: et sublatum est quod superfuit illis fragmentorum cofini duodecim.
Vulg Mk. 6.43: et sustulerunt reliquias fragmentorum duodecim cophinos plenos et de piscibus.
I take Luke 9.17 ἤρθη τὸ περισσεῦσαν αὐτοῖς κλασμάτων κόφινοι δώδεκα to mean "it was taken up the left-over to them, [namely,] twelve baskets of fragments," i.e. "their left-over [food] was twelve baskets of fragments." So τὸ περισσεῦσαν is nom, in apposition with κόφινοι δώδεκα.
Jerome avoids what could be a clunky asyndeton with a relative clause, but I still want to punctuate him with a comma, too-- et sublatum est [id] quod superfuit illis[,] fragmentorum cofini duodecim.
Mk. 6.43 presents two challenges.
First, the fragments are in the nom./acc., not the gen. & dependent on the baskets. If ἀπὸ τῶν ἰχθύων is to have a parallel, we have too suppose κλάσματα = κλάσματα [ἄρτων].
Second, πληρώματα, which has for its radical meaning "that which fills," but seems to = πλήρεις (cf. the SBL notes below), which would buy us the gen. case of δώδεκα κοφίνων. Jerome certainly took πληρώματα = plenos, i.e. he translated a noun as an adjective.
Lust et al. define πληρώματα as "contents" in the LXX lexicon, which develops in a sensible way the radical meaning and suggests "they gathered up the fragments [of bread] and of fish, [which were] the contents of twelve baskets. Does that work?
Thanks for elucidating comments.
Dan Monroe
Mk. 6.43: SBL notes alternatives κλάσματα δώδεκα κοφίνων πληρώματα WH NIV ] κλασμάτων δώδεκα κοφίνους πληρώματα Treg; κλασμάτων δώδεκα κοφίνους πλήρεις RP.
Luke 9.17: ἤρθη τὸ περισσεῦσαν αὐτοῖς κλασμάτων κόφινοι δώδεκα. Vulg Luke 9:17: et sublatum est quod superfuit illis fragmentorum cofini duodecim.
Vulg Mk. 6.43: et sustulerunt reliquias fragmentorum duodecim cophinos plenos et de piscibus.
I take Luke 9.17 ἤρθη τὸ περισσεῦσαν αὐτοῖς κλασμάτων κόφινοι δώδεκα to mean "it was taken up the left-over to them, [namely,] twelve baskets of fragments," i.e. "their left-over [food] was twelve baskets of fragments." So τὸ περισσεῦσαν is nom, in apposition with κόφινοι δώδεκα.
Jerome avoids what could be a clunky asyndeton with a relative clause, but I still want to punctuate him with a comma, too-- et sublatum est [id] quod superfuit illis[,] fragmentorum cofini duodecim.
Mk. 6.43 presents two challenges.
First, the fragments are in the nom./acc., not the gen. & dependent on the baskets. If ἀπὸ τῶν ἰχθύων is to have a parallel, we have too suppose κλάσματα = κλάσματα [ἄρτων].
Second, πληρώματα, which has for its radical meaning "that which fills," but seems to = πλήρεις (cf. the SBL notes below), which would buy us the gen. case of δώδεκα κοφίνων. Jerome certainly took πληρώματα = plenos, i.e. he translated a noun as an adjective.
Lust et al. define πληρώματα as "contents" in the LXX lexicon, which develops in a sensible way the radical meaning and suggests "they gathered up the fragments [of bread] and of fish, [which were] the contents of twelve baskets. Does that work?
Thanks for elucidating comments.
Dan Monroe