In our treebanks, we assign a 'role' to the subject, object, indirect object, etc. of a verb. But we don't currently assign a role to a vocative beyond noting its case. This seems inconsistent to me, and caused some formatting I was doing to look weird. I dealt with it by formatting a word in the vocative case the same way I would a word that has one of the roles I just mentioned.
I could call this role 'addressee' of a verb of speech. Is there a better term? In the tree below, I used a 'voc' label. Is there a better one to use?
The role of vocative
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The role of vocative
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: The role of vocative
Vocatives involve a difference in kind from subjects and objects because they're not part of the proposition of the clause. They are, effectively, interjectives. You could label them that, if you'd like.
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voc seems more specific than interjective, any reason not to use voc?MAubrey wrote:Vocatives involve a difference in kind from subjects and objects because they're not part of the proposition of the clause. They are, effectively, interjectives. You could label them that, if you'd like.
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: The role of vocative
In the passages that I have "on demand" to think about, the vocative always occurs together with some other 2nd person element, so it in effect a case that agrees with the number and person (2nd) of the verb or pronoun.Jonathan Robie wrote:voc seems more specific than interjective, any reason not to use voc?MAubrey wrote:Vocatives involve a difference in kind from subjects and objects because they're not part of the proposition of the clause. They are, effectively, interjectives. You could label them that, if you'd like.
Are there in fact examples of the vocative addressing a person (or God), and bringing to their attention something else, like as in, "Hey, Johnny, the window is open." (Imperatives are usually direct not implied as in English, though, so I wouldn't expect the vocative to imply one, like English often does). Alternatively, something like, "Hey, Johnny, I told Nigel about the fishing trip, and he's busy.", seems more like an interjection.
Is the vocative more limited (specific) in Koine Greek than a general definition could describe?
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)