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"zero" - My rationale for μηδέν rather than οὐδέν
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"zero" - My rationale for μηδέν rather than οὐδέν
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
Re: "zero" - My rational for μηδέν rather than οὐδέν
I see what you are saying, Stephen. I haven't looked at usage at all, but theoretically, your view of μηδεν and ouδεν mesh with my understanding of the μη/ου choice.
Paul D. Nitz - Lilongwe Malawi
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Re: "zero" - My rational for μηδέν rather than οὐδέν
Here I would just think that the choice of μη- has to do with the use of non-indicative forms (the subjunctive in a ἵνα clause and the negation of the imperative). Looking at the examples that you pulled, that's what I see.
[indicative] οὐδὲν γάρ ἐστιν κεκαλυμμένον ὃ οὐκ ἀποκαλυφθήσεται· (Matthew 10:26)
[indicative] καὶ ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ νυκτὶ ἐπίασαν οὐδέν. (John 21:3)
[negated imperative] Ὅρα, μηδενὶ μηδὲν εἴπῃς· (Mark 1:44)
[negated infinitive] Εὔχομαι δὲ πρὸς τὸν θεόν, μὴ ποιῆσαι ὑμᾶς κακὸν μηδέν, (2 Corinthians 13:7)
[negated participle in a purpose clause] ἵνα ὁ ἐξ ἐναντίας ἐντραπῇ, μηδὲν ἔχων [not ἔχω] περὶ ἡμῶν λέγειν φαῦλον. (Titus 2:8)
I don't think you've demonstrated your case. This only reflects the normal use of μή over against οὐ.
[indicative] οὐδὲν γάρ ἐστιν κεκαλυμμένον ὃ οὐκ ἀποκαλυφθήσεται· (Matthew 10:26)
[indicative] καὶ ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ νυκτὶ ἐπίασαν οὐδέν. (John 21:3)
[negated imperative] Ὅρα, μηδενὶ μηδὲν εἴπῃς· (Mark 1:44)
[negated infinitive] Εὔχομαι δὲ πρὸς τὸν θεόν, μὴ ποιῆσαι ὑμᾶς κακὸν μηδέν, (2 Corinthians 13:7)
[negated participle in a purpose clause] ἵνα ὁ ἐξ ἐναντίας ἐντραπῇ, μηδὲν ἔχων [not ἔχω] περὶ ἡμῶν λέγειν φαῦλον. (Titus 2:8)
I don't think you've demonstrated your case. This only reflects the normal use of μή over against οὐ.
Jason A. Hare
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Re: "zero" - My rational for μηδέν rather than οὐδέν
Sorry about that. Perhaps it was a cut and paste error, or a stray finger on the screen.Jason Hare wrote:[negated participle in a purpose clause] ἵνα ὁ ἐξ ἐναντίας ἐντραπῇ, μηδὲν ἔχων [not ἔχω] περὶ ἡμῶν λέγειν φαῦλον. (Titus 2:8)
Your observation along the lines of "Socks are found with shoes", and my rationale derived from observations that "Socks are found on feet", are related, but evaluate things in a different way.Jason Hare wrote:I don't think you've demonstrated your case. This only reflects the normal use of μή over against οὐ.
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)